"Playing the ball on the ground"

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"Playing the ball on the ground"

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This isn't a foul, right? I assume it's a rule in some indoor/5-a-side/7-a-side competitions that some referees have confused with the 11-a-side version.

I know that trapping the ball to stop an opponent from reaching it (like locking it between your knees) is a foul, but simply kicking the ball when a player is on the ground is not a foul, right?

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Correct weight and all clear...

Foul committed in the example you have provided is considered "dangerous play" - player on the ground "hiding the ball" is creating a dangerous situation ITOOTR... indirect freekick to the opposition.
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There is nothing wrong about a player trapping the ball on the ground and keeping it trapped as long as he wants.
There can be two outcomes when the player who trapped the ball is challenged.

1/ When an another player tries to play the ball. The offence is dangerous play committed by the. Player trapping the ball as he has placed himself in adangerous situation - indirect free kick to opponent.

2/ BUT if the opponent comes into the challenge in a careless, reckless or using excessive force. Then it bocomes a direct free kick to the player who trapped the ball. And depending on the force of the tackle the offending player can be cautioned or sent off.

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penalty wrote:There is nothing wrong about a player trapping the ball on the ground and keeping it trapped as long as he wants.
There can be two outcomes when the player who trapped the ball is challenged.

1/ When an another player tries to play the ball. The offence is dangerous play committed by the. Player trapping the ball as he has placed himself in adangerous situation - indirect free kick to opponent.

2/ BUT if the opponent comes into the challenge in a careless, reckless or using excessive force. Then it bocomes a direct free kick to the player who trapped the ball. And depending on the force of the tackle the offending player can be cautioned or sent off.
Number 2 is incorrect in my opinion... There may only be 2 outcomes here depending on whether you believe the fouls occurred sequential (indirect free kick to the reckless tackler) or simultaneously (drop ball). If they are sequential then you still need to punish the first foul.. E.g. Foul committed first was the guy hiding the ball "dangerous play"... Restart is indirect free kick to opposition team, that is the player who has performed the reckless act, however, you still need to sanction the reckless act with a yellow or red... If ITTOTR the fouls are committed simultaneously e.g the guys jumps on the ball to hide it and simultaneously the idiot jumps in recklessly then the restart is a drop ball... Sanctions apply as required...
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Laws of the game, referee to punish the more serious offence when two offences occurred at the same time.

Offence punishable by a direct free kick is more serious than a offence punishable by indirect free kick.

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I think you may be slightly confused...

You are referring to page 24 of lotg where if the same player commits more than one offence at the same time then the more serious offence is punished.

However in this instance I am referring to the action to be taken as per page 74 (see 2nd paragraph below) of lotg:
"More than one offence occurring at the same time
• Offences committed by two players from the same team:– the referee must punish the most serious offence when players commit more than one offence at the same time– play must be restarted according to the most serious offence committed
• Offences committed by players from different teams:– the referee must stop play and restart it with a dropped ball from the position of the ball at the time of the stoppage, unless play was stopped inside the goal area, in which case the referee drops the ball on the goal area line parallel to the goal line at the point nearest to where the ball was located when play was stopped"
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