4 WNPL Teams Failed To Meet The Criteria

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Re: 4 WNPL Teams Failed To Meet The Criteria

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I'm not even sure why this is still being debated. Clubs can be angry, aggrieved, whatever word you want to use. The fact is that FFSA aren't going to pull a team and promote another 3 rounds into a season. It won't happen. These clubs (Comets, South etc) are probably better off having this season in the SL and building strong junior teams and numbers in preparation for next season and a possible promotion.
Question or get angry at why Sturt are still allowed in the competition all you want. It won't change anything.

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Re: 4 WNPL Teams Failed To Meet The Criteria

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united92 wrote:I'm not even sure why this is still being debated. Clubs can be angry, aggrieved, whatever word you want to use. The fact is that FFSA aren't going to pull a team and promote another 3 rounds into a season. It won't happen. These clubs (Comets, South etc) are probably better off having this season in the SL and building strong junior teams and numbers in preparation for next season and a possible promotion.
Question or get angry at why Sturt are still allowed in the competition all you want. It won't change anything.
'Not sure why this is still being debated'?

The issue is considerably more complex than sturt retaining its wnpl status for the current season, which most likely it will, provided it can survive as a club in its own right (the club still has serious player shortfalls in its remaining junior team and with such a small working committee, just takes the resignation of even one person for the whole thing to collapse).

Serious Questions must still be answered, including but not limited to:

1) what penalties will now be imposed on sturt for breaching the wnpl criteria?
2) when did they notify ffsa they didn't meet the criteria. (Suggestion is there at least some in ffsa who knew way before being officially communicated).
3) despite being public knowledge for months, why didn't ffsa at the very least, investigate and confirm each clubs entry criteria? Simple check of their own player registration database two weeks out of season start (if not earlier), would have made it patently clear the player numbers were not evident, yet the draw with sturt included, was proceeded with.
4) review of the entire accreditation process. It is nothing short of gross incompetence or laziness to validate such important benchmarks by merely asking the clubs themselves to judge they have met the criteria.
5) this is the perfect example of the lack of transparency and accountability by ffsa in their decision making processes and unfortunately it's not a new problem. Too often clubs who dare question the process, are brushed off with disdain and the clubs are left with no recourse. The game is all about the clubs, players, fans and the exceptionally hard working volunteers who make it all happen. It's not about a centralized administrative body furthering its own needs.

This whole process has been an unmitigated disaster and goes way beyond sturt. Stirling withdrawing days out from the start, a formal communication then sent out by ffsa to that effect, then stirling being forced back in, is further evidence that something is clearly amiss.

The clubs, many of whom have had their issues on how the game has been run, cannot allow this latest episode to be swept under the carpet.

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Re: 4 WNPL Teams Failed To Meet The Criteria

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the last 2 posts +1, very good, nothing done at ffsa is transparent just need to go back when they asked clubs by email/not discussed at ffsa meetings, as they do not want clubs to know what other clubs are thinking, its all about send us an email of your thoughts and we will decide based on feedback(what crap that is just ignore and do what they want). They asked tell us FFSA which fixture option they prefered in regard to WNPL games, were given 4 opt then 3 opt. ALL clubs opted for opt 2/3(Shorter 2 round season , finals , cup comp) but no club opted for opt one and guess which option ffsa implemented?? opt 1 off course which no club wanted. Which is what we have now? so ffsa do not care what clubs want or the best fit. they just do what ffsa want and if you make a fuss they find ways to punish you. this has been going on for a long time and will probably never change while the powers that be run the ffsa.

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Re: 4 WNPL Teams Failed To Meet The Criteria

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the barbarian wrote:the last 2 posts +1, very good, nothing done at ffsa is transparent just need to go back when they asked clubs by email/not discussed at ffsa meetings, as they do not want clubs to know what other clubs are thinking, its all about send us an email of your thoughts and we will decide based on feedback(what crap that is just ignore and do what they want). They asked tell us FFSA which fixture option they prefered in regard to WNPL games, were given 4 opt then 3 opt. ALL clubs opted for opt 2/3(Shorter 2 round season , finals , cup comp) but no club opted for opt one and guess which option ffsa implemented?? opt 1 off course which no club wanted. Which is what we have now? so ffsa do not care what clubs want or the best fit. they just do what ffsa want and if you make a fuss they find ways to punish you. this has been going on for a long time and will probably never change while the powers that be run the ffsa.
fascinating how an organisation who demands to control every aspect of the game, gathers opinions from the clubs from emails that no one else sees, would then trust the clubs themselves to self evaluate if they meet the criteria of entering a national competition!!!

this story goes way deeper I suspect.

The absence of transparency and accountability is truly astonishing.

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Re: 4 WNPL Teams Failed To Meet The Criteria

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snow white wrote:
united92 wrote:I'm not even sure why this is still being debated. Clubs can be angry, aggrieved, whatever word you want to use. The fact is that FFSA aren't going to pull a team and promote another 3 rounds into a season. It won't happen. These clubs (Comets, South etc) are probably better off having this season in the SL and building strong junior teams and numbers in preparation for next season and a possible promotion.
Question or get angry at why Sturt are still allowed in the competition all you want. It won't change anything.
'Not sure why this is still being debated'?

The issue is considerably more complex than sturt retaining its wnpl status for the current season, which most likely it will, provided it can survive as a club in its own right (the club still has serious player shortfalls in its remaining junior team and with such a small working committee, just takes the resignation of even one person for the whole thing to collapse).

Serious Questions must still be answered, including but not limited to:

1) what penalties will now be imposed on sturt for breaching the wnpl criteria?
2) when did they notify ffsa they didn't meet the criteria. (Suggestion is there at least some in ffsa who knew way before being officially communicated).
3) despite being public knowledge for months, why didn't ffsa at the very least, investigate and confirm each clubs entry criteria? Simple check of their own player registration database two weeks out of season start (if not earlier), would have made it patently clear the player numbers were not evident, yet the draw with sturt included, was proceeded with.
4) review of the entire accreditation process. It is nothing short of gross incompetence or laziness to validate such important benchmarks by merely asking the clubs themselves to judge they have met the criteria.
5) this is the perfect example of the lack of transparency and accountability by ffsa in their decision making processes and unfortunately it's not a new problem. Too often clubs who dare question the process, are brushed off with disdain and the clubs are left with no recourse. The game is all about the clubs, players, fans and the exceptionally hard working volunteers who make it all happen. It's not about a centralized administrative body furthering its own needs.

This whole process has been an unmitigated disaster and goes way beyond sturt. Stirling withdrawing days out from the start, a formal communication then sent out by ffsa to that effect, then stirling being forced back in, is further evidence that something is clearly amiss.

The clubs, many of whom have had their issues on how the game has been run, cannot allow this latest episode to be swept under the carpet.
+1

Comets and South fulfilled the criteria, they deserve an explanation how FFSA women football coordinators seemingly had no idea Sturt wouldn't make requirements.
Accountability from the board would be nice who operate on clubs and players funding the Federation.

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Re: 4 WNPL Teams Failed To Meet The Criteria

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So both Comets & South fulfilled the criteria.
So should they both be in?
I think not.

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Re: 4 WNPL Teams Failed To Meet The Criteria

Post by scipio africanus »

west adelaide wrote:So both Comets & South fulfilled the criteria.
So should they both be in?
I think not.
As it stands, neither of those mentioned clubs are required to meet the WNPL criteria as they are not in it.

When they submitted their application they would have indicated a commitment to meet the criteria. Unfortunately ffsa never validated anyone's submission, including west Adelaide.

What we do know for fact is that sturt never did meet the criteria and are in the WNPL.

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