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Re: WNPL and State sports Park

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SAD GAL wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:23 am
The comparison with amateur league and WNPL or NPL is absurd and irrelevant. Whilst all leagues deserve the respect of decent facilities, the top leagues do too as well.

Speaking to many people from different clubs, they are all saying the same thing. De-centralisation of games away from the the Friday night has not been received well. The whole idea about one night 4 games was about unifying clubs, players and build an atmosphere that promotes the women's game. Since this de-centralisation has occurred I have only watched part of one other game at the Parks. That was way back when the days were longer and warmer ie a long time ago and pre-Gepps cross.

We've gone backwards.
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SAD GAL wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:26 pm
The place needs an overhaul. Pitch not the best many players have ongoing injuries and soreness from the very poor playing surface.. Location of coaching boxes is insane. Facing the rain and wind. Zero protection. even in summer.

Until then can WA and Fulham pick another place ie the Parks.

The whole 2022 season is a mish mash of scheduling.

#getbacktotheParks
Surely someone with your intellect understands that Adelaide Olympic has taken on the lease at Parks

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C U Next Saturday wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 3:52 pm
SAD GAL wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:26 pm
The place needs an overhaul. Pitch not the best many players have ongoing injuries and soreness from the very poor playing surface.. Location of coaching boxes is insane. Facing the rain and wind. Zero protection. even in summer.

Until then can WA and Fulham pick another place ie the Parks.

The whole 2022 season is a mish mash of scheduling.

#getbacktotheParks
Surely someone with your intellect understands that Adelaide Olympic has taken on the lease at Parks
Olympic should hand back the keys just to appease SAD GAL

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Re: WNPL and State sports Park

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C U and Burns thank you for the condescending remarks. Ignorance is contagious.

Does a lease mean exclusivity? Certainly, doesn’t mean ownership. I’d say tonight and any other Friday night it lays idle.
In regards to State Park and the de-centralisation of WNPL games, I maintain this has bene a detriment to the WNPL.

Some may argue however, I’d say that FSA needs to get back to why, in the first place, we were having games scheduled and at West Beach. Simple answer is that it was to build the game and bring together at one venue the teams, clubs and supporters (some aligned and some neutral) to watch the games. This has gone. State Park has two games tonight and it will be a lonely and sparse place. The canteen may or may not be open.

I am certain that State Park was never meant to be a replacement for what we had at the Parks and West Beach. Shame.

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SAD GAL wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:43 am
C U and Burns thank you for the condescending remarks. Ignorance is contagious.

Does a lease mean exclusivity? Certainly, doesn’t mean ownership. I’d say tonight and any other Friday night it lays idle.
In regards to State Park and the de-centralisation of WNPL games, I maintain this has bene a detriment to the WNPL.

Some may argue however, I’d say that FSA needs to get back to why, in the first place, we were having games scheduled and at West Beach. Simple answer is that it was to build the game and bring together at one venue the teams, clubs and supporters (some aligned and some neutral) to watch the games. This has gone. State Park has two games tonight and it will be a lonely and sparse place. The canteen may or may not be open.

I am certain that State Park was never meant to be a replacement for what we had at the Parks and West Beach. Shame.
A reminder of what can be condescending........"The comparison with amateur league and WNPL or NPL is absurd and irrelevant."

How many games have you attended at the new facility?
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Some clubs prefer hosting.

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Precisely. Not enough. Maybe 2.
The circumstances under which the teams play and why it was necessary to bring them together (as has been for the last 6 or so years) to consolidate the sport. Therefore, not necessary to compare to the amateurs or NPL.

The teams are "encouraged" to play away from State Park. Certainly not a venue for the majority. Exclusive not inclusive.


Raich Carter wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:58 am
SAD GAL wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:43 am
C U and Burns thank you for the condescending remarks. Ignorance is contagious.

Does a lease mean exclusivity? Certainly, doesn’t mean ownership. I’d say tonight and any other Friday night it lays idle.
In regards to State Park and the de-centralisation of WNPL games, I maintain this has bene a detriment to the WNPL.

Some may argue however, I’d say that FSA needs to get back to why, in the first place, we were having games scheduled and at West Beach. Simple answer is that it was to build the game and bring together at one venue the teams, clubs and supporters (some aligned and some neutral) to watch the games. This has gone. State Park has two games tonight and it will be a lonely and sparse place. The canteen may or may not be open.

I am certain that State Park was never meant to be a replacement for what we had at the Parks and West Beach. Shame.
A reminder of what can be condescending........"The comparison with amateur league and WNPL or NPL is absurd and irrelevant."

How many games have you attended at the new facility?

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SAD GAL wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:43 am

Does a lease mean exclusivity? Certainly, doesn’t mean ownership. I’d say tonight and any other Friday night it lays idle.
In regards to State Park and the de-centralisation of WNPL games, I maintain this has bene a detriment to the WNPL.
Idle? How the hundreds of junior players that Adelaide Olympic using it for training?

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It was a bit cold out there today. I hope none of you had to play in that.
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Another weekend where games are played on Friday night, Saturday evening/night and Sunday. I have been to a wnpl game in the last 5 weeks. Saturday evenings are ludicrous.

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SAD GAL wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:13 am
Another weekend where games are played on Friday night, Saturday evening/night and Sunday. I have been to a wnpl game in the last 5 weeks. Saturday evenings are ludicrous.
Went and watched a team become premiers at West Beach on Friday night, didn't care where it was being played, didn't care that 8 other teams weren't there as I don't support them. Had a great night and get over yourself!
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Whack. Ouch.

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Raich Carter wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:23 am
SAD GAL wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:13 am
Another weekend where games are played on Friday night, Saturday evening/night and Sunday. I have been to a wnpl game in the last 5 weeks. Saturday evenings are ludicrous.
Went and watched a team become premiers at West Beach on Friday night, didn't care where it was being played, didn't care that 8 other teams weren't there as I don't support them. Had a great night and get over yourself!
I see a difference of opinion here. You're coming at it from a "team supporter" perspective, completely understandable you are focused on your own team's games, etc. It is not your club's objective to grow the women's game, it's sole focus is to win trophies, and that's fine if that's the case (i'm not having a go btw, just clear by the fact they have the lowest number of junior teams out of all WNPL and WSL sides).

I also see Sad Gal's perspective, which is trying to come at it from a "supporter of the women's game" perspective. Their objective is to try and continue to grow the "carnival" atmosphere that double headers brought, which may in turn encourage more to come. I am personally not a fan of every game at one venue, it detracts from the product and can become a distraction for players, etc. But two games is a good model.

I also think Gepps Cross is a good facility, but the difference in atmosphere comes from all supporters on one side of the pitch (main pitch) leading to a lack of atmosphere.

Most club-hosted fixtures have seen the women's side follow the men's fixture and has led to maybe what, 100-150 people hanging around? Maybe this is due to those fixtures usually being at 5 or 7pm on a Saturday, maybe it's due to winter, maybe it's due to a low profile fixture, maybe due to reserves being on another day, etc.

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Thank you for a well thought out response rather than the retorts that offer little than critique for the other side of the argument.

I think you have captured it well. I can see all sides to the story. I can also see that the new State Park is different than the Parks and West Beach. The boutique stadia they are is not what's on offer at SP.

Its crystal clear that this is the new norm. SP is and will be sued sparingly. It’s the showcase stadium for the game.
In response to your comment about people hanging about post game. I agree there have been some watching. They usually depart after 20 minutes. Or are in the bar.

Westies may have gotten a good crowd on Sat. As they do when things are going really well. If they were having a tough season, west beach would be a ghost town last Sat. They are a fickle group.

p.s I’m not here to convince you one way or the other. It’s my view. I am yet to be convinced that the flow on revenue stream will benefit the women’s team at a club. We will never know the truth.

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Your only argument so far is that one ground is too cold and wet for you.

IT'S A WINTER SPORT.


I'm sure most players, clubs and spectators would far rather to watch/play their games at their home ground.
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SAD GAL wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:53 pm
Thank you for a well thought out response rather than the retorts that offer little than critique for the other side of the argument.

I think you have captured it well. I can see all sides to the story. I can also see that the new State Park is different than the Parks and West Beach. The boutique stadia they are is not what's on offer at SP.

Its crystal clear that this is the new norm. SP is and will be sued sparingly. It’s the showcase stadium for the game.
In response to your comment about people hanging about post game. I agree there have been some watching. They usually depart after 20 minutes. Or are in the bar.

Westies may have gotten a good crowd on Sat. As they do when things are going really well. If they were having a tough season, west beach would be a ghost town last Sat. They are a fickle group.

p.s I’m not here to convince you one way or the other. It’s my view. I am yet to be convinced that the flow on revenue stream will benefit the women’s team at a club. We will never know the truth.
Haven't been to fickle the last few years I've been going to games (covid excepted), wherever they are played and whatever the results. Same could be said for any number of teams about success increasing crowd numbers, mens or womens game.
Just to clarify a question I asked, have you been to a game at the Gepps Cross complex?
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Lots of discussion on here and about the weather, gate takings, growth n the game etc. The discussion was to be about the de-centralisation of the wnpl ie from centralisation we had at the Parks for many years to the de-centralised model at State Park.

Does not look like it will get back to that model. For me I will miss it. I miss the opportunity to watch other teams and catch up with people from other clubs.

Again, I get what is happening and probably it was moving this way over the last couple of years. Reflecting on where the wnpl was a decade (and longer) ago, what we have now is far better than Sunday afternoon games on poor pitches all across Adelaide.

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