BeNatural wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 2:32 pm
Dont join those club then. Your have a choice of 30+ other clubs. Join a different club.
But every club has different expenses, some clubs have large facilities they need to cover the costs, other cubs only have 1 ground so limited costs.
The YCC is basically creating a Private vs Public school/academy type situation by having different tiers. Blame the FSA for setting it up and also for the new fee structure.
How do you have fee free football, when the FSA and FFA charge exorbitant fees to clubs and players. Who covers those costs? Sponsors? There arent many sponsors putting in money these days. Just look at the FSA sponsorship amounts in the AGM, its very low for a state based body with 50,000 participants in various competitions.
How do the fees differ to the previous structure? How much have they gone up? Is it fair that rather than clubs establishing sinking funds for their artificial pitches they pass the full maintenance cost onto their juniors when their juniors are probably 50% of the user base? If clubs are employing full-time staff then why is their venue not utilised to raise funds full-time also? Rather than creating big boardrooms in their new developments could these clubs instead create commercial spaces to lease out?
I think the sponsorship model in sport is dead, and in 2025 both clubs and federations (state and national) should be smarter in determining new financial models.
I think the sponsorship model in sport is dead, and in 2025 both clubs and federations (state and national) should be smarter in determining new financial models.
You just ended your own discussion. Its a user based fee structure now with alot of activities and sports, because sponsors dont want to pay.
What do you want clubs do to generate say $50k or $100k a year? Buy a hotel with pokies?
Come up with some suggestions how clubs can generate income.
Why arent the North Adelaide basketball club doing anything to generate income so we dont have to pays $1800 a year, plus we pay spectator and player fees on entrance to each stadium. Its a user fee based system we live in now.
Plenty of other clubs to go to if you want to pay cheaper fees.
I think the sponsorship model in sport is dead, and in 2025 both clubs and federations (state and national) should be smarter in determining new financial models.
You just ended your own discussion. Its a user based fee structure now with alot of activities and sports, because sponsors dont want to pay.
What do you want clubs do to generate say $50k or $100k a year? Buy a hotel with pokies?
Come up with some suggestions how clubs can generate income.
Why arent the North Adelaide basketball club doing anything to generate income so we dont have to pays $1800 a year, plus we pay spectator and player fees on entrance to each stadium. Its a user fee based system we live in now.
Plenty of other clubs to go to if you want to pay cheaper fees.
What happens in basketball shouldn't dictate football.
Clubs shouldn't have full-time administrators and technical directors who are mainly there to serve the senior side of the club. Why not a full-time sponsorship manager instead?
Technical directors at ALM level aren't even full time. Academy staff in ALM also work in other roles at clubs to sustain and justify. The only full-time technical director in SA should be the State Technical Director.
It’s a requirement to have paid administrator as per the NPL regulations.
The way the game is going locally because no one wants to volunteer anymore, more and more people are being paid in roles. That is just how society is now. And it will get worse coming up. So it’s a user fee paying system we have.
All ALM clubs have a full time technical director, it’s a requirement of the APL and FFA.
SAM33 wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:45 pm If you say so… it’s 2.5k plus kit too
I guess you cant read
For the U12-17 players, that equates to $8 per hour, but if you take out all the items like kit, referee fees, club fees, ground hire, operational costs etc, its likely be to $2-3 per hour for just the training session alone.
SAM33 wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:45 pm If you say so… it’s 2.5k plus kit too
I guess you cant read
For the U12-17 players, that equates to $8 per hour, but if you take out all the items like kit, referee fees, club fees, ground hire, operational costs etc, its likely be to $2-3 per hour for just the training session alone.
Well I hope you find out where it came from, because I’ve heard 2.5k from 3 completely different people now.
SAM33 wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:23 pm
I hear Metros will be 2.5k (they do pay their coaches though)
Don't want to buy into this idiotic subject, however, drove past TK SHUTTER this afternoon the place looked like Rundle Mall
On the end of the year sales.
Understand that Tier 1 clubs have been inundated with kids wanting to trial but a certain one could do a better job at managing expectations and being transparent with their intentions.
My kid got a call back at said club after absolutely nailing a GK trial with the GK coaches. Went along for second session with outfield and was clearly the strongest there for his position (GK) in all aspects of his game - technique, game sense, organising back line, foot skills, saves etc. The GK coaches from the prior night were not at the 2nd trial.
After a long trial that had no finish time advertised all the trialling kids were then told the club were retaining all their JPL and JSL squads. They clearly had no interest in a new GK so why bother wasting his time with a second trial?
He missed a call back for another club to be there which is a risk he took - but why get him out there if there’s no plan to change? Or at least cut him early so he can move on.
Are trials being used as a defensive tool to prevent other clubs accessing talent? They’re always on at the same times every year. If so it’s at their detriment cause they’ll miss out on some good talent.
this year especially, i think trials are being used to capture as many kids as possible, im sure we can all imagine the promises made to these kids. I know of clubs who are attracting players from others by getting them to pay fees before trials start and guaranteeing spots. this means they jump the queue for talent and lock them away before the process even begins. There are also clubs (boys and girls) offering vastly reduced fees to new players to get them through the door so they can be a part of the new competitions
morally right or a clever business decision?
romarios shin wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:36 pm
this year especially, i think trials are being used to capture as many kids as possible, im sure we can all imagine the promises made to these kids. I know of clubs who are attracting players from others by getting them to pay fees before trials start and guaranteeing spots. this means they jump the queue for talent and lock them away before the process even begins. There are also clubs (boys and girls) offering vastly reduced fees to new players to get them through the door so they can be a part of the new competitions
morally right or a clever business decision?
As far as I know at Metrostars everyone pays a deposit to trial to stop time wasters rolling up. If you miss the cut, deposit is then refunded. Those that make it have their deposit credited against their fees.
Bluechook wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:47 pm
As far as I know at Metrostars everyone pays a deposit to trial to stop time wasters rolling up. If you miss the cut, deposit is then refunded. Those that make it have their deposit credited against their fees.
Incorrect. No deposit needed to trial.
You pay a deposit once you are selected after the trials to confirm your spot in the team.
I have never been a fan of trials but I do understand why clubs need them.
But I have heard a club calling a parent whose kid made it at another club and paid their deposit to come over to their club, even offered the parent to reimburse them the deposit.!! WOW, for juniors!!!
SILENT P wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:50 am
I have never been a fan of trials but I do understand why clubs need them.
But I have heard a club calling a parent whose kid made it at another club and paid their deposit to come over to their club, even offered the parent to reimburse them the deposit.!! WOW, for juniors!!!
That's nothing, I remember years ago, a certain goody goody Club, paid for Jason Spagnuolo expenses to take him overseas with their junior team trip although Jason was playing at another Club at the time.
Guest1233 wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:57 am
Understand that Tier 1 clubs have been inundated with kids wanting to trial but a certain one could do a better job at managing expectations and being transparent with their intentions.
My kid got a call back at said club after absolutely nailing a GK trial with the GK coaches. Went along for second session with outfield and was clearly the strongest there for his position (GK) in all aspects of his game - technique, game sense, organising back line, foot skills, saves etc. The GK coaches from the prior night were not at the 2nd trial.
After a long trial that had no finish time advertised all the trialling kids were then told the club were retaining all their JPL and JSL squads. They clearly had no interest in a new GK so why bother wasting his time with a second trial?
He missed a call back for another club to be there which is a risk he took - but why get him out there if there’s no plan to change? Or at least cut him early so he can move on.
Are trials being used as a defensive tool to prevent other clubs accessing talent? They’re always on at the same times every year. If so it’s at their detriment cause they’ll miss out on some good talent.
I’d do a ring around, plenty of clubs always looking for a good goalie… even after trials.
SILENT P wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:50 am
I have never been a fan of trials but I do understand why clubs need them.
But I have heard a club calling a parent whose kid made it at another club and paid their deposit to come over to their club, even offered the parent to reimburse them the deposit.!! WOW, for juniors!!!
We lost two players to Campbelltown after being selected at trials and receiving acceptance letter. I’m not sure if they paid deposit but it was required straight away so they could have paid deposit.
There’s going to be some interesting score lines with this new structure too, I assume fsa will have to keep everyone in the same group but how will it work if there are games with huge goal differences? They’re really going to keep them in those groups for the entire season?!
SILENT P wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:50 am
I have never been a fan of trials but I do understand why clubs need them.
But I have heard a club calling a parent whose kid made it at another club and paid their deposit to come over to their club, even offered the parent to reimburse them the deposit.!! WOW, for juniors!!!
We lost two players to Campbelltown after being selected at trials and receiving acceptance letter. I’m not sure if they paid deposit but it was required straight away so they could have paid deposit.
Guest1233 wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:57 am
Understand that Tier 1 clubs have been inundated with kids wanting to trial but a certain one could do a better job at managing expectations and being transparent with their intentions.
My kid got a call back at said club after absolutely nailing a GK trial with the GK coaches. Went along for second session with outfield and was clearly the strongest there for his position (GK) in all aspects of his game - technique, game sense, organising back line, foot skills, saves etc. The GK coaches from the prior night were not at the 2nd trial.
After a long trial that had no finish time advertised all the trialling kids were then told the club were retaining all their JPL and JSL squads. They clearly had no interest in a new GK so why bother wasting his time with a second trial?
He missed a call back for another club to be there which is a risk he took - but why get him out there if there’s no plan to change? Or at least cut him early so he can move on.
Are trials being used as a defensive tool to prevent other clubs accessing talent? They’re always on at the same times every year. If so it’s at their detriment cause they’ll miss out on some good talent.
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