Under 12 and 13 Zone trials

[scotsman]

Can anyone tell me when the Fed Zone trials for the 12 and 13's are and who the coaches are. Are the trials held at Burton? CAn some one fill me in?
cheers

[black]

Can anyone tell me when the Fed Zone trials for the 12 and 13's are and who the coaches are. Are the trials held at Burton? CAn some one fill me in?
cheers

based on previous years .... they are already chosen....

[kings]

Can anyone tell me when the Fed Zone trials for the 12 and 13's are and who the coaches are. Are the trials held at Burton? CAn some one fill me in?
cheers

based on previous years .... they are already chosen....

Same as last year.
Some players already selected.

[Big Mac]

Can anyone tell me when the Fed Zone trials for the 12 and 13's are and who the coaches are. Are the trials held at Burton? CAn some one fill me in?
cheers

based on previous years .... they are already chosen....

Same as last year.
Some players already selected.

Words fail me...

[Adelaide Vic Juniors]

Who are the coaches for the 12 east?

[FUBAR]

who are all the coaches?

and how can the same players be selected when there should be a new group of u/12s?

[jamannic]

I've been told that most of the SAP boys will be selected in the U12 squad which means that hundreds of kids will be trialling out for maybe 3-4 spots.

[Big Mac]

I've been told that most of the SAP boys will be selected in the U12 squad which means that hundreds of kids will be trialling out for maybe 3-4 spots.

There are 60 zone spots up for grabs.

[Željko Jurin]

First phase ....

15 x 2 teams per 4 zones, + 1 country I think = 135 kids

[kings]

I've been told that most of the SAP boys will be selected in the U12 squad which means that hundreds of kids will be trialling out for maybe 3-4 spots.

FFSA Skill Acquisition Program boys will be taken first for skillaroos then others

means that hundreds of kids will be trialling out for maybe 3-4 spots
Ask ZJ assistant coach of sap.

[Željko Jurin]

Are you talking about Vlado who helped Richie out last year ? .... a very good mate of mine, but I'm better looking .....

[jamannic]

I've just been advised that one the STIC coaches for the U12 West has a son/step son trialling out in this age group in the West, surely this is a conflict of interest.

My son made the initial cut last night but what an absolute disgrace, the 2 West coaches need to be fired immediately on 2 grounds (1) In front of all of the boys they tell them that they have been cut, in the U13's they sent sms to parents rather than telling them in front of their friends (2) Something dodgy is going on, the majority of the boys selected were worthy but some of the boys selected is very questionable, there were some good quality players that were cut. I understand everyone sees things differently but this is a disgrace. The same 2 coaches were involved last year and the same issues occurred, boys selected that weren't even nominated.

C'mon FFSA, you need to sort this out, it is not rocket science - if a coach wants to coach a STIC team and they currently coach in the West, then you allocate them another zone, eg South, North or East

[Big Mac]

I've just been advised that one the STIC coaches for the U12 West has a son/step son trialling out in this age group in the West, surely this is a conflict of interest.

My son made the initial cut last night but what an absolute disgrace, the 2 West coaches need to be fired immediately on 2 grounds (1) In front of all of the boys they tell them that they have been cut, in the U13's they sent sms to parents rather than telling them in front of their friends (2) Something dodgy is going on, the majority of the boys selected were worthy but some of the boys selected is very questionable, there were some good quality players that were cut. I understand everyone sees things differently but this is a disgrace. The same 2 coaches were involved last year and the same issues occurred, boys selected that weren't even nominated.

C'mon FFSA, you need to sort this out, it is not rocket science - if a coach wants to coach a STIC team and they currently coach in the West, then you allocate them another zone, eg South, North or East

Common practice, not making a representative squad ( being cut) is part of young footballers development.
Tough on them but a Parent should prepare them for it.
I dont know if these coaches called out players who were cut, but a bit easier on the Kids if players who have made it through are called out instead.
I am pretty sure the FFSA prefer if players are told at the trials if they have got through.
Usually final selection involves a letter.
As far as his own child trialling, if he is good enough so be it, although personally I think STIC coaches should a) not coach the age group they normally are involved with on a Sunday b)not coach an age group where there own child is trialling (in an ideal world).
I know that they dont have huge amounts of coaches putting their hand up to take STIC (so juggling the coaches around might not be easy), mind you the FFSA dont seem to advertise or promote applications to coach STIC too widely.

[mancity]

South zone under 12 stic was also finalised last night.
They also called out all of the lads that were selected there and then but the coaches told the lads to react humbly if they were selected in fairness to those that weren't which they all did.
I understand it can be a harsh method but time wise I guess its the quickest and easiest.
It was tough on the boys that missed out but is it any easier than the parents having to break the news to them via a text or email from ffsa.

[rossonero]

jammanic i agree with some of the things you are saying BUT let me tell you one thing, please get your coaching badges (if u havent done so already) coach for a few years and then get involved in coaching the STICs then come back on here and tell us how easy it was....i have been involved as a player and as a coach and it has never been easy..... unfortunately there is no easy formula, everyone is an expert and everyone thinks that their kids are the best....
what i really want to comment about the problem you have with players that have been selected which were never nominated...i can tell you now very few clubs do the right thing and nominate the players that truly deserve it, many players nominated have family in the committee, are coached by family or other various political reasons.... what i have done in the past is i have gone out to the games and watched each player play and to no surprise half the players on the list should never have been nominated.... one year one club nominated 5 players, i went to watch them and i realised that the ones that were nominated (wont mention players or club) were for political reasons as there was way better players playing in a higher age group or even in the B team.... to cut the story short the ones nominated never made the final squad, 3 out of the 5 that i invited to trial are either at the AIS, playing overseas and have played for joeys.... if i never went out to watch the games these players wouldve missed out being identified....

[Baldrick]

I've just been advised that one the STIC coaches for the U12 West has a son/step son trialling out in this age group in the West, surely this is a conflict of interest.

My son made the initial cut last night but what an absolute disgrace, the 2 West coaches need to be fired immediately on 2 grounds (1) In front of all of the boys they tell them that they have been cut, in the U13's they sent sms to parents rather than telling them in front of their friends (2) Something dodgy is going on, the majority of the boys selected were worthy but some of the boys selected is very questionable, there were some good quality players that were cut. I understand everyone sees things differently but this is a disgrace. The same 2 coaches were involved last year and the same issues occurred, boys selected that weren't even nominated.

C'mon FFSA, you need to sort this out, it is not rocket science - if a coach wants to coach a STIC team and they currently coach in the West, then you allocate them another zone, eg South, North or East

The same thing has been happening for years. South zone coach u12 picked his own son. Next year was the assistant and coincidently he made it again with half his club team while they cut the best players from other teams. Played mostly on the bench at club level the next year which speaks volumes of his ability.

My son refused to show up for the last 2 years because he was so disillusioned with the process.

[Hibs seven]

jammanic i agree with some of the things you are saying BUT let me tell you one thing, please get your coaching badges (if u havent done so already) coach for a few years and then get involved in coaching the STICs then come back on here and tell us how easy it was....i have been involved as a player and as a coach and it has never been easy..... unfortunately there is no easy formula, everyone is an expert and everyone thinks that their kids are the best....
what i really want to comment about the problem you have with players that have been selected which were never nominated...i can tell you now very few clubs do the right thing and nominate the players that truly deserve it, many players nominated have family in the committee, are coached by family or other various political reasons.... what i have done in the past is i have gone out to the games and watched each player play and to no surprise half the players on the list should never have been nominated.... one year one club nominated 5 players, i went to watch them and i realised that the ones that were nominated (wont mention players or club) were for political reasons as there was way better players playing in a higher age group or even in the B team.... to cut the story short the ones nominated never made the final squad, 3 out of the 5 that i invited to trial are either at the AIS, playing overseas and have played for joeys.... if i never went out to watch the games these players wouldve missed out being identified....

So are you saying if boys or girls dont get identified through these sham trials their careers are over at 12/13?

[jamannic]

Rossonero, I have a seniors coaching licence and have coached for many years so I beleive I have enough creditials to see that things aren't right here. What you have done by going out and watching players is rare, I wouldn't imagine there would be too many doing this. I agree that many kids are nominated that shouldn't be there but are nominated due to knowing the write people.

What I found interesting was that many boys nominated didn't attend the STIC trials, some of the feedback I received from parents from my club was: (1) They think its a farce and most of the final Skilleroos has already been selected from the SAP squad (2) When they heard who the coaches were in the West they pulled out as they heard what happended last year.

The quicker the FFSA sorts this out the better it will be for our kids, currently there is no confidence in the system when it is run so poorly.

[rossonero]

sham trials
in all honesty the whole system is a sham, not many people or clubs are honest and do whats best for the players.
anyway players can still be identified even if they have never been involved in state or zone trials...stics or state teams dont guarantee success.....
but if all the coaches and clubs done the right thing and nominated the best players for each age group, and the zone coaches did the right thing and pick the best players available, then im sure many more players would be identified and have professional coaches working with them....

[rossonero]

so what if the skilleroos squad is already picked???
the players nominated should use these trials as a learning experience to train with other good players in the same zone, make new friends and learn something new that their previous coaches have never taught them.... for the players that make the zone squads, its a good tournament and a great experience.....

[Hibs seven]

so what if the skilleroos squad is already picked???
the players nominated should use these trials as a learning experience to train with other good players in the same zone, make new friends and learn something new that their previous coaches have never taught them.... for the players that make the zone squads, its a good tournament and a great experience.....

I agree it is a good tournament and the extra 5-6 games playing with and against good players is positive for those involved, bearing in mind there is a hefty fee slugged for participation and a new shirt and outfit which will be the same as last years but will be a mandatory purchase for those who have one already, why don't the FFSA come out up front and tell everyone that there will only be one or two spots (if that) available if that at the end of it.

As previously stated by someone else some many boys are being disheartened ( dozens of good players have not even wanted to take part this year) and saw some in tears last year at the various cut times.



From the SAPSASA selection process I saw last year prior to STIC you had to be big and strong to get selected yet the STIC model involves ball skills and tactical awareness irrespective of size and strength. If the STIC selection team is influenced by those earlier selected by SAP surely there are dozens of kids with the techical ability required who are missing out because they are at a different stage of development.

In essence all I am saying is in this (or any) selection process there are always kids/people who will be unhappy, all kids/people want is honesty and if there are no spots or very few spots tell the kids upfront to give their parents the option if the want to hand over their hard earned cash to pay for the development of others.

[justmyopinion]

some excellent points made.....speaking to other parents and kids from different clubs and the same issues come up every year.

a. a zone coach should not be a coach from that age group who would favour his own players, or have a son trialling ........unfortunately has happened in the passed and still happening now.

b. selection of players to trial should only be made by neutral coaches from the ffsa, attending club training and games, not committiee members pleasing siblings or friends.

its sad when you see kids with talent who have been selected previous years or kids who are asked to trial not want to go to trials because they have seen the bias previous years...............if the ffsa are serious about selecting the best kids dont allow coaches from clubs and clubs committies to identify the best talent.

only when that happens will it regain the trust and confidence of the players.

if the ffsa can have michael m taking the 14 trails who has no affiliation to any zone teams then why cant it be done for other age groups?

[rossonero]

with the zone trials i did (making it clear its not under 12s or 13s) players and parents were told what the costs were. they were also told that they should use this experience as part of their development and they had the chance to play and train with the best players in that zone....i made them feel special as it was already a great achievement to have the chance to be nominated.... i told them to use the 4 trialling sessions to learn new skills that are needed to make the next level, to have the right attitude and to work hard.... the players that miss out willl also be given a report card of their good qualities and what they need to work on.... some of the things that were taught in the 4 trainings they were never taught at their clubs.

the funny thing i overheard some parents talking about how great their coaches are because they havent lost any games this season and how they score lots of goals....i rudely interrupted them and told them to pass on to the coach that the players he nominated couldnt do more than 5 juggles, they had poor coordination, they had poor control and 1st touch, they didnt know how to do push up and sit up properly and werent fit enough to play 2v2 for more than a few minutes....

there are very few coaches at a young level doing what is right for the players development, they worry more about their egos, about the parents and their own kids....

[Željko Jurin]

Ok, Capt Croatia here with his 2 cents worth ...

2 true stories ....

A) 3 years ago, a boy was at an 'eastern' club where the u12 STIC nominations were made, and committee members and coaches sons were nominated, he wasn't even nominated to trial
He left that club that year, and last competed in the u14 Nationals at Coffs and got into the final All Star team selection

B) this year, a coach who is also a TD at a certain club, and has his own private academy, convinced his players not to trial for STIC, as it is all a waste of time. I think he managed to brainwash majority, as only 2 turned up to trials .... but I'm sure those brainwashed parents aren't paying $700 odd a TERM to remain at his private academy

Moral to the story, if you feel clubs are not nominating kids on their ability or are being brainwashed ...... Leave !!

[rossonero]

ahahhaa captain croatia
story A is true, cannot believe how that player was not nominated, im glad justice was served..hes a great player for his age...

as for B...i cannot believe a junior coach can do something like this....i hope the parents wake up and do something about it....

[Željko Jurin]

Edit ... $550 for 30 sessions, $975 for 60

[Big Mac]

some excellent points made.....speaking to other parents and kids from different clubs and the same issues come up every year.

a. a zone coach should not be a coach from that age group who would favour his own players, or have a son trialling ........unfortunately has happened in the passed and still happening now.

b. selection of players to trial should only be made by neutral coaches from the ffsa, attending club training and games, not committiee members pleasing siblings or friends.
its sad when you see kids with talent who have been selected previous years or kids who are asked to trial not want to go to trials because they have seen the bias previous years...............if the ffsa are serious about selecting the best kids dont allow coaches from clubs and clubs committies to identify the best talent.

only when that happens will it regain the trust and confidence of the players.

if the ffsa can have michael m taking the 14 trails who has no affiliation to any zone teams then why cant it be done for other age groups?

What you're suggesting essentially is Kids need to trial so that they can trial. Not going to work, havent got the recources.
Simple...allow any Kid to trial for his own zone STIC.
You will find there may be maybe 25% more Kids come out to trial, trust me, not every Kid will come out, most Parents (& some Kids) are realistic enough
to know if they have got half a chance. Only stipulation should be that a Parent must complete a form of intention to trial, if not done, no trial. Straight away you are going to get a drop
off where Parents wont even bother to fill in a form.
If an age group does get 80+ intentions to trial (doubt it). Split the first trial over 2 nights and cut back to 40-50 after these trials.
After the first trial you will get Kids/Parents who wont need to be told not to come back, some dont come back anyway after making their own judgement on their chances.
This I have seen 1st hand.

[Hetro Metro]

The cream rises to the top, those not of the elk of the cream are subject to all the football and poitical influences upon the selectors.

The main aim is to identify the cream.

[Armageddon]

Been there and have seen all what the forum has stated, kids being told by clubs not to go out, players getting g picked because of their last names or the color of their shirts etc, etc. coaches should not coach Stic from their own age group or zone but it happens every year and the FFSA do nothing about it! Loved the opportunity to work with some really great kids but so many missed out due to politics IMO . Glad I am on the other side of the fence now as the injustices wore me down in the end and made me even more cynical of how we develop our youth in this state. :?

[Sacred Noodle]

Well how about this at U13 West STIC.

After the second trial there was a cut of players ...now all the players cut have been invited back to trial with the reasoning that it was cold and wet at the second trial – After the third trial players were cut and I don’t think invited back.

The second lot of players cut obviously showed more than the first lot cut during the first two trials and would have had to endure the same conditions at the second trial ..which were really quite good for soccer was cold but didn’t really rain significant during the trial session.

Those first lot cut are now back to complete for places with those who have made it through to the final trial yet I understand the second lot cut have not been invited back .... what a debacle

.. edited to clarify that the first lot cut were obviously not at the third trial and so not part of the second cut but have been given a separate trial this week and in for the final trial essentially bypassing the second cut ..what the!? I know the coaches received some calls from parents complaining about their boys being cut and obviously bowed to the pressure and gave them another chance