Sunday div 4

[Brian the Postman]

A legal requirement on a minor doesn't change because he's playing in a senior league.

Given that it's a public space and the filming is done for a non-commercial purpose (I am going to go out on a limb here and say it wasn't) my understanding is that it is legal.

Please provide the proof that this is different with minors present? Given Australia doesn't have an enshrined right to privacy.

There are no general restrictions on the taking of photographs or film in a public place or from a public place. The only restrictions would be that the photo not: be indecent (such as 'up skirt' photos); of a child in a provcative or sexual manner; be used for voyeurism; protected by a court order (eg. child custody or witness protection); defamatory or being used for commercial purposes.

If the photos or film are being taken on private property, then the owner of that property may impose their own limitations on who can take photos of what. This means that if a sporting club uses council owned property for its events then the council may impose limitations on photography. This does not stop someone taking photos of the private property from a public place outside that property.


The above was taken from the legal services commission website, I think you are making stuff up unless you are suggesting that the children (or minors) were being filmed in a provocative or sexual manner?

I can only say that whenever my children have been in any event such as this then permission has always been asked to film them. If I don't want someone filming my children then you can be sure that I will be stopping them.

Then you will be breaking the law if you physically interfere with them.

[God is an Englishman]

Then you will be breaking the law if you physically interfere with them.

They can take me to court then and produce the smashed camera as evidence.

[redwin]

I can only say that whenever my children have been in any event such as this then permission has always been asked to film them. If I don't want someone filming my children then you can be sure that I will be stopping them.

I would suggest being a responsible parent and not letting them play in an 'open' category!

[God is an Englishman]

I would suggest being a responsible parent and not letting them play in an 'open' category!

How is it possibly irresponsible to do that?

More irresponsible would the weirdo who wants to film kids and when asked not to do so pretends not to speak English and continues to do so.

[Simon Hou]

Deserved to be bashed by multiple people?


Isn't this the point where you say that it's a mens league?

A legal requirement on a minor doesn't change because he's playing in a senior league.

Given that it's a public space and the filming is done for a non-commercial purpose (I am going to go out on a limb here and say it wasn't) my understanding is that it is legal.

Please provide the proof that this is different with minors present? Given Australia doesn't have an enshrined right to privacy.

There are no general restrictions on the taking of photographs or film in a public place or from a public place. The only restrictions would be that the photo not: be indecent (such as 'up skirt' photos); of a child in a provcative or sexual manner; be used for voyeurism; protected by a court order (eg. child custody or witness protection); defamatory or being used for commercial purposes.

If the photos or film are being taken on private property, then the owner of that property may impose their own limitations on who can take photos of what. This means that if a sporting club uses council owned property for its events then the council may impose limitations on photography. This does not stop someone taking photos of the private property from a public place outside that property.


The above was taken from the legal services commission website, I think you are making stuff up unless you are suggesting that the children (or minors) were being filmed in a provocative or sexual manner?

Well, I don’t normally login the forums until I saw some people are just making the story up against my club – Adelaide Great Wall.
A few things I would like to clarify here:

• Adelaide Great Wall did not fight with the police, we cooperated with the police;
• When our player No.20 fell on the ground, his head was kicked by AF No.13 like a soccer ball, he was seriously injury;
• AF No.13 was arrested, the conformation from Elizabeth Police Station was received yesterday at 12pm, then confirmed by SAASL at 5pm;
• Adelaide Great Wall has engaged lawyers to deal with this matter and the hearing will be carried on next Monday;

If any of you ever played with AF, let me know how you feel about their player and supporters.

In Regards to the filming issue, Adelaide Great Wall would normally took film for every single matches, as we would love to watch this videos when we get old. We are not using it for any commercial purpose or coaching purpose. When we were requested by AF at the beginning of the match, we turned off the camera as we think it is not a big deal to lose the recording for just one match. However, when we noticed the tension as the match goes on, I decided to film the match and present it to the Administration of the league after. One of AF’s supporters threw an iron chair on our photographer and tried to put our camera into the bin when our photographer fell down. Then, you can image what could happen afterwards. ( We have video to be submitted to SAASL)

Also, there are a few questions I would like to ask everyone:

• Why can’t we take film in a public space?
• Can AF’s ground marshall walk into the pitch and stopped the match despite that the referee gave us the permission to film the match?
• Why every incident involves red cards or yellow cards happened on the side where AF’s lineman and supporter stood? It is like a strategy!

Adelaide Great Wall Football Club was formed by a group of people who enjoy playing soccer and get together with friends and families every Sunday, we all need to go to work on Monday and feed our family. We would like to play under a safe and friendly environment and we don’t deserve to get abuse every week with racism language. We have setup rules for our players to prevent any bad behaviour and we will kick those “grenache heads” out from our club. If you have noticed any of our players or supporters breach our rules, please feel free to report to me.

ADL Great Wall Rule of Player 2017

1. No registration, No play:
Every player has to register in SAASL system successfully and pay $40, no registering, no play.
2. No Alcohol and no Smoking:
Every player cannot drink alcohol (Beer) and smoking in play ground during match time. $5 penalty for each person per instant.
3. Respect Referrer and opposite team:
Unconditional obey the referrer’s judgements and decisions in match. Co-operate with referrer and opposite team officers with friendly attitude.
4. No verbal abuse offensive and discrimination language
5. Late and absence:
Any Late and absence will be reported to team officer beforehand, otherwise will not be allowed to play on the day.
6. Supply and team services:
Water and Snacks will be purchased by each player in turn, and set up the net pre-game and clean the pitch post-game will be on duty in turn as well. Any arrangement should be fulfilled.
7. Teamwork:
All players should not scream each other and ague in game, any complaint will be discussed in half time and after match.
8. No violence, no fighting:
• Any red card on offensive behaviour will be banned in our team and club, penalty minimum $50 to $200 each red card.
• Any fighting, the fighter will be suspended for games depend on case by case plus penalty apply $50 to $200.
• Any nearby players participate fighting, not intend to stop fighting, will be punished more than the initial fighter.
• Any afterwards revenge will not be acceptable, the club will be not responsible for the
afterwards personal behaviour. And the player will be dismissed from the club.
9. Other rules will be applied and updated time to time.

[redwin]

I would suggest being a responsible parent and not letting them play in an 'open' category!

How is it possibly irresponsible to do that?

More irresponsible would the weirdo who wants to film kids and when asked not to do so pretends not to speak English and continues to do so.

Irresponsible is that you are assuming they were interested in filming the kids rather than the game.
If I was the coach and had the resource, I would be very much interested in watching a replay of the game to educate my players.

Let me put this in another context.
If my kid was playing, and yours was too; who are you to stop me filming my own kid???

[God is an Englishman]

Irresponsible is that you are assuming they were interested in filming the kids rather than the game.
If I was the coach and had the resource, I would be very much interested in watching a replay of the game to educate my players.

Let me put this in another context.
If my kid was playing, and yours was too; who are you to stop me filming my own kid???

I cannot stop you filming your kid, but I would feel I am fully entitled to ask you not to film mine. Common courtesy to me really. As I said, my son's club was asked a few weeks ago and parents were asked. No one had an issue with it. One parent responded - that's fine but can we get a copy of it.

The other club made a copy available and no one bothered.

[redwin]

Irresponsible is that you are assuming they were interested in filming the kids rather than the game.
If I was the coach and had the resource, I would be very much interested in watching a replay of the game to educate my players.

Let me put this in another context.
If my kid was playing, and yours was too; who are you to stop me filming my own kid???

I cannot stop you filming your kid, but I would feel I am fully entitled to ask you not to film mine. Common courtesy to me really. As I said, my son's club was asked a few weeks ago and parents were asked. No one had an issue with it. One parent responded - that's fine but can we get a copy of it.

The other club made a copy available and no one bothered.

Are we still talking about an 'open' or 'senior' grade?

[Mr Boombastic]

Surely the filming is for coaching purposes or the clubs own presentation night for bloopers or something like that. I'm sure that no offence or untoward filming would of been undertaken.

It is an adult league and if there are players aged 16/17 playing then that's the way it is.

Sounds like this situation got out of hand when not necessary..... but then again clubs can't control players at supporters at the best of times, hence we have these debates.

Onwards and upwards!

This is where we need that Like button. Well said, it's a Senior Men's league, people are always taking photos and video clips, it's just the way it is. If it was an under 18's fixture, different story.

[Mr Boombastic]

Well, I don’t normally login the forums until I saw some people are just making the story up against my club – Adelaide Great Wall.
A few things I would like to clarify here:

• Adelaide Great Wall did not fight with the police, we cooperated with the police;
• When our player No.20 fell on the ground, his head was kicked by AF No.13 like a soccer ball, he was seriously injury;
• AF No.13 was arrested, the conformation from Elizabeth Police Station was received yesterday at 12pm, then confirmed by SAASL at 5pm;
• Adelaide Great Wall has engaged lawyers to deal with this matter and the hearing will be carried on next Monday;

If any of you ever played with AF, let me know how you feel about their player and supporters.

In Regards to the filming issue, Adelaide Great Wall would normally took film for every single matches, as we would love to watch this videos when we get old. We are not using it for any commercial purpose or coaching purpose. When we were requested by AF at the beginning of the match, we turned off the camera as we think it is not a big deal to lose the recording for just one match. However, when we noticed the tension as the match goes on, I decided to film the match and present it to the Administration of the league after. One of AF’s supporters threw an iron chair on our photographer and tried to put our camera into the bin when our photographer fell down. Then, you can image what could happen afterwards. ( We have video to be submitted to SAASL)

Also, there are a few questions I would like to ask everyone:

• Why can’t we take film in a public space?
• Can AF’s ground marshall walk into the pitch and stopped the match despite that the referee gave us the permission to film the match?
• Why every incident involves red cards or yellow cards happened on the side where AF’s lineman and supporter stood? It is like a strategy!

Adelaide Great Wall Football Club was formed by a group of people who enjoy playing soccer and get together with friends and families every Sunday, we all need to go to work on Monday and feed our family. We would like to play under a safe and friendly environment and we don’t deserve to get abuse every week with racism language. We have setup rules for our players to prevent any bad behaviour and we will kick those “grenache heads” out from our club. If you have noticed any of our players or supporters breach our rules, please feel free to report to me.

ADL Great Wall Rule of Player 2017

1. No registration, No play:
Every player has to register in SAASL system successfully and pay $40, no registering, no play.
2. No Alcohol and no Smoking:
Every player cannot drink alcohol (Beer) and smoking in play ground during match time. $5 penalty for each person per instant.
3. Respect Referrer and opposite team:
Unconditional obey the referrer’s judgements and decisions in match. Co-operate with referrer and opposite team officers with friendly attitude.
4. No verbal abuse offensive and discrimination language
5. Late and absence:
Any Late and absence will be reported to team officer beforehand, otherwise will not be allowed to play on the day.
6. Supply and team services:
Water and Snacks will be purchased by each player in turn, and set up the net pre-game and clean the pitch post-game will be on duty in turn as well. Any arrangement should be fulfilled.
7. Teamwork:
All players should not scream each other and ague in game, any complaint will be discussed in half time and after match.
8. No violence, no fighting:
• Any red card on offensive behaviour will be banned in our team and club, penalty minimum $50 to $200 each red card.
• Any fighting, the fighter will be suspended for games depend on case by case plus penalty apply $50 to $200.
• Any nearby players participate fighting, not intend to stop fighting, will be punished more than the initial fighter.
• Any afterwards revenge will not be acceptable, the club will be not responsible for the
afterwards personal behaviour. And the player will be dismissed from the club.
9. Other rules will be applied and updated time to time.[/quote]


Filming as evidence of the thugs in the game, genuine reason to film or photograph parts of the game I'd say, and I'm sure if your club was in the same position there would be supporters or family doing the same.

[Brian the Postman]

A legal requirement on a minor doesn't change because he's playing in a senior league.

Given that it's a public space and the filming is done for a non-commercial purpose (I am going to go out on a limb here and say it wasn't) my understanding is that it is legal.

Please provide the proof that this is different with minors present? Given Australia doesn't have an enshrined right to privacy.

There are no general restrictions on the taking of photographs or film in a public place or from a public place. The only restrictions would be that the photo not: be indecent (such as 'up skirt' photos); of a child in a provcative or sexual manner; be used for voyeurism; protected by a court order (eg. child custody or witness protection); defamatory or being used for commercial purposes.

If the photos or film are being taken on private property, then the owner of that property may impose their own limitations on who can take photos of what. This means that if a sporting club uses council owned property for its events then the council may impose limitations on photography. This does not stop someone taking photos of the private property from a public place outside that property.


The above was taken from the legal services commission website, I think you are making stuff up unless you are suggesting that the children (or minors) were being filmed in a provocative or sexual manner?

Well, I don’t normally login the forums until I saw some people are just making the story up against my club – Adelaide Great Wall.
A few things I would like to clarify here:

• Adelaide Great Wall did not fight with the police, we cooperated with the police;
• When our player No.20 fell on the ground, his head was kicked by AF No.13 like a soccer ball, he was seriously injury;
• AF No.13 was arrested, the conformation from Elizabeth Police Station was received yesterday at 12pm, then confirmed by SAASL at 5pm;
• Adelaide Great Wall has engaged lawyers to deal with this matter and the hearing will be carried on next Monday;

If any of you ever played with AF, let me know how you feel about their player and supporters.

In Regards to the filming issue, Adelaide Great Wall would normally took film for every single matches, as we would love to watch this videos when we get old. We are not using it for any commercial purpose or coaching purpose. When we were requested by AF at the beginning of the match, we turned off the camera as we think it is not a big deal to lose the recording for just one match. However, when we noticed the tension as the match goes on, I decided to film the match and present it to the Administration of the league after. One of AF’s supporters threw an iron chair on our photographer and tried to put our camera into the bin when our photographer fell down. Then, you can image what could happen afterwards. ( We have video to be submitted to SAASL)

Also, there are a few questions I would like to ask everyone:

• Why can’t we take film in a public space?
• Can AF’s ground marshall walk into the pitch and stopped the match despite that the referee gave us the permission to film the match?
• Why every incident involves red cards or yellow cards happened on the side where AF’s lineman and supporter stood? It is like a strategy!

Adelaide Great Wall Football Club was formed by a group of people who enjoy playing soccer and get together with friends and families every Sunday, we all need to go to work on Monday and feed our family. We would like to play under a safe and friendly environment and we don’t deserve to get abuse every week with racism language. We have setup rules for our players to prevent any bad behaviour and we will kick those “grenache heads” out from our club. If you have noticed any of our players or supporters breach our rules, please feel free to report to me.

ADL Great Wall Rule of Player 2017

1. No registration, No play:
Every player has to register in SAASL system successfully and pay $40, no registering, no play.
2. No Alcohol and no Smoking:
Every player cannot drink alcohol (Beer) and smoking in play ground during match time. $5 penalty for each person per instant.
3. Respect Referrer and opposite team:
Unconditional obey the referrer’s judgements and decisions in match. Co-operate with referrer and opposite team officers with friendly attitude.
4. No verbal abuse offensive and discrimination language
5. Late and absence:
Any Late and absence will be reported to team officer beforehand, otherwise will not be allowed to play on the day.
6. Supply and team services:
Water and Snacks will be purchased by each player in turn, and set up the net pre-game and clean the pitch post-game will be on duty in turn as well. Any arrangement should be fulfilled.
7. Teamwork:
All players should not scream each other and ague in game, any complaint will be discussed in half time and after match.
8. No violence, no fighting:
• Any red card on offensive behaviour will be banned in our team and club, penalty minimum $50 to $200 each red card.
• Any fighting, the fighter will be suspended for games depend on case by case plus penalty apply $50 to $200.
• Any nearby players participate fighting, not intend to stop fighting, will be punished more than the initial fighter.
• Any afterwards revenge will not be acceptable, the club will be not responsible for the
afterwards personal behaviour. And the player will be dismissed from the club.
9. Other rules will be applied and updated time to time.

this is a very different version of events than Hawkesy's.....

Was it your mate at the pub that told you this again?

[English]

Well, I don’t normally login the forums until I saw some people are just making the story up against my club – Adelaide Great Wall.
A few things I would like to clarify here:

• Adelaide Great Wall did not fight with the police, we cooperated with the police;
• When our player No.20 fell on the ground, his head was kicked by AF No.13 like a soccer ball, he was seriously injury;
• AF No.13 was arrested, the conformation from Elizabeth Police Station was received yesterday at 12pm, then confirmed by SAASL at 5pm;
• Adelaide Great Wall has engaged lawyers to deal with this matter and the hearing will be carried on next Monday;

If any of you ever played with AF, let me know how you feel about their player and supporters.

In Regards to the filming issue, Adelaide Great Wall would normally took film for every single matches, as we would love to watch this videos when we get old. We are not using it for any commercial purpose or coaching purpose. When we were requested by AF at the beginning of the match, we turned off the camera as we think it is not a big deal to lose the recording for just one match. However, when we noticed the tension as the match goes on, I decided to film the match and present it to the Administration of the league after. One of AF’s supporters threw an iron chair on our photographer and tried to put our camera into the bin when our photographer fell down. Then, you can image what could happen afterwards. ( We have video to be submitted to SAASL)

Also, there are a few questions I would like to ask everyone:

• Why can’t we take film in a public space?
• Can AF’s ground marshall walk into the pitch and stopped the match despite that the referee gave us the permission to film the match?
• Why every incident involves red cards or yellow cards happened on the side where AF’s lineman and supporter stood? It is like a strategy!

Adelaide Great Wall Football Club was formed by a group of people who enjoy playing soccer and get together with friends and families every Sunday, we all need to go to work on Monday and feed our family. We would like to play under a safe and friendly environment and we don’t deserve to get abuse every week with racism language. We have setup rules for our players to prevent any bad behaviour and we will kick those “grenache heads” out from our club. If you have noticed any of our players or supporters breach our rules, please feel free to report to me.

ADL Great Wall Rule of Player 2017

1. No registration, No play:
Every player has to register in SAASL system successfully and pay $40, no registering, no play.
2. No Alcohol and no Smoking:
Every player cannot drink alcohol (Beer) and smoking in play ground during match time. $5 penalty for each person per instant.
3. Respect Referrer and opposite team:
Unconditional obey the referrer’s judgements and decisions in match. Co-operate with referrer and opposite team officers with friendly attitude.
4. No verbal abuse offensive and discrimination language
5. Late and absence:
Any Late and absence will be reported to team officer beforehand, otherwise will not be allowed to play on the day.
6. Supply and team services:
Water and Snacks will be purchased by each player in turn, and set up the net pre-game and clean the pitch post-game will be on duty in turn as well. Any arrangement should be fulfilled.
7. Teamwork:
All players should not scream each other and ague in game, any complaint will be discussed in half time and after match.
8. No violence, no fighting:
• Any red card on offensive behaviour will be banned in our team and club, penalty minimum $50 to $200 each red card.
• Any fighting, the fighter will be suspended for games depend on case by case plus penalty apply $50 to $200.
• Any nearby players participate fighting, not intend to stop fighting, will be punished more than the initial fighter.
• Any afterwards revenge will not be acceptable, the club will be not responsible for the
afterwards personal behaviour. And the player will be dismissed from the club.
9. Other rules will be applied and updated time to time.

Just out of curiosity were these rules in place last season, particuarly in your C grade (Div 7 or 8 I can't remember)? Because that certainly was not the way your club (talk, solid striker and in particular those women on the sidelines) handled themselves.

[Dazza]

For someone who was there and didn't get involved for I'm a firm believer in the 'everyone's got to go to work monday' mantra, Ill Just take a few snippets from what you've written Simon

1. 'If any of you ever played with AF, let me know how you feel about their player and supporters'

In the years I have been at the club apart from the usual upstart from poor decisions from referees the club has never had any issues except in this match and a match against Westwood, which as everyone reads on these forums shouldn't surprise anyone with all the previous dramas Great Wall and Westwood cause each week when they are losing.

2. 'Why every incident involves red cards or yellow cards happened on the side where AF’s lineman and supporter stood? It is like a strategy!'

Now your just sounding crazy, considering your team had two reds, from an official ref, for elbows and fighting behind play speaks for itself

3. 'We have setup rules for our players to prevent any bad behaviour and we will kick those “grenache heads” out from our club. If you have noticed any of our players or supporters breach our rules, please feel free to report to me'

Surely you don't truly expect people to believe you follow these rules because if you did you wouldn't have a team to put on the park this week, the way your club handles itself on the park (don't even worry about off of it) is nothing short of a disgrace it's not just with your As the fact that I had to confront an older player (presumably in his 30s by appearance) during the reserves game because he was threatening to beat up a 16 year old player is just disgusting.

Don't get me wrong, with how badly things escalated it was embarrassing for both clubs. The sooner this is all dealt with and out the way the better, I personally hope the injured lad makes a full recovery and is back out there this season.

[Broonaldo\0/]

my team played Adelaide great wall last year and when one of your players was shown a Red card he proceeded to leave the pitch and kick my linesman. This happened at Grange infront of a league referee.

You can make out like your club is the innocent victim however I've seen with my own eyes what your mob are like. I wondered from that day if Adelaide Great wall were born from the ashes of Adelade Stingrays, another mob of sooks that cant handle getting beat (which happened very often as they were woeful on the pitch)

You should add to your list of rules that players wives or girlfriends are not allowed to enter the field of play if their husband/boyfriend gets tackled, and keep the screeching to >5Db as it gave me a headache.

[topakai]

Barossa Pearl version from great wall you should write fairytales mate
You didnt mention that when 3 andrews farm members tried to admin first aid on your player your players attacked them 2 were females
Also your dog breath b team goalie kneeing a andrews farm specatator in the face while on the ground getting by several of your a and b team players
Also u didnt mention that your players grab and shoved a 15 year old spectator into our club gates trying to storm into our clubsroom when we put all our young kids in there so they were safe
Not to mention your players still tried to sneak around the back of the club to climb over fence while police were there and they stopped your dirty lot
So dont come on here and act all innocent
You and westwood dont like to loose and when you do you get dirty
Do the leauge a favour and shiraz off

Ps
Also our specatator who stopped your player from choking on his tongue that your team proceeded to hit and tear his clothes while helping yout player

[God is an Englishman]

this is a very different version of events than Hawkesy's.....

Was it your mate at the pub that told you this again?

To be fair - I did say that it was only what I was told.

[topakai]

Forgot to mention also your b player that got changed and then sat at the corner flag at our spectator side and decided he would film on his phone pointing every no and then towards it at our girls team other people who were sitting there watching the game
Pretending to video the game told him several times to leave he just sat there like a bottle of shiraz pedo champagne
Eventually he left after we threaten to rings cops and he was also one the players that tried to scale our fence to get into our clubs room where all our kids were put
Know who u are you bottle of shiraz piece cabernet

[RowePark]

Any outcomes or sanctions to either club ahead of Sunday ?

[getup]

Does anyone know the result between CFC and Salisbury?

[Dazza]

Does anyone know the result between CFC and Salisbury?

Salisbury pulled their team out not enough numbers so they are a bye now