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England pre- WC Squad
How do Maguire and Shaw make this squad surely Ben White at Arsenal deserves a spot ahead them?
Sancho on fire at Man U left out surely in better form than Grealish.
Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson, Nick Pope, Aaron Ramsdale.
Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold, Ben Chilwell, Conor Coady, Eric Dier, Marc Guehi, Reece James, Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw, John Stones, Fikayo Tomori, Kieran Trippier, Kyle Walker.
Midfielders: Jude Bellingham, Mason Mount, Kalvin Phillips, Declan Rice, James Ward-Prowse.
Forwards: Tammy Abraham, Jarrod Bowen, Phil Foden, Jack Grealish, Harry Kane, Bukayo Saka, Raheem Sterling, Ivan Toney.
Sancho on fire at Man U left out surely in better form than Grealish.
Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson, Nick Pope, Aaron Ramsdale.
Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold, Ben Chilwell, Conor Coady, Eric Dier, Marc Guehi, Reece James, Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw, John Stones, Fikayo Tomori, Kieran Trippier, Kyle Walker.
Midfielders: Jude Bellingham, Mason Mount, Kalvin Phillips, Declan Rice, James Ward-Prowse.
Forwards: Tammy Abraham, Jarrod Bowen, Phil Foden, Jack Grealish, Harry Kane, Bukayo Saka, Raheem Sterling, Ivan Toney.
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Eric Dier and Harry Maguire, there's strength at the back....ozzie owl wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:40 am How do Maguire and Shaw make this squad and Sancho left out ?
Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson, Nick Pope, Aaron Ramsdale.
Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold, Ben Chilwell, Conor Coady, Eric Dier, Marc Guehi, Reece James, Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw, John Stones, Fikayo Tomori, Kieran Trippier, Kyle Walker.
Midfielders: Jude Bellingham, Mason Mount, Kalvin Phillips, Declan Rice, James Ward-Prowse.
Forwards: Tammy Abraham, Jarrod Bowen, Phil Foden, Jack Grealish, Harry Kane, Bukayo Saka, Raheem Sterling, Ivan Toney.
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Harry must be in for his looks in the team photoRaich Carter wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:43 amEric Dier and Harry Maguire, there's strength at the back....ozzie owl wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:40 am How do Maguire and Shaw make this squad and Sancho left out ?
Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson, Nick Pope, Aaron Ramsdale.
Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold, Ben Chilwell, Conor Coady, Eric Dier, Marc Guehi, Reece James, Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw, John Stones, Fikayo Tomori, Kieran Trippier, Kyle Walker.
Midfielders: Jude Bellingham, Mason Mount, Kalvin Phillips, Declan Rice, James Ward-Prowse.
Forwards: Tammy Abraham, Jarrod Bowen, Phil Foden, Jack Grealish, Harry Kane, Bukayo Saka, Raheem Sterling, Ivan Toney.
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The squad sums up his mentality, five midfielders and about a dozen defenders.
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And none of the midfielders is Maddison who is playing good football in a shite teamNice One Cyril wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:52 pm The squad sums up his mentality, five midfielders and about a dozen defenders.
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Agreed. I'd like him at Spurs.Raich Carter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:34 amAnd none of the midfielders is Maddison who is playing good football in a shite teamNice One Cyril wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:52 pm The squad sums up his mentality, five midfielders and about a dozen defenders.
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Southgate would rather play 3-4-3 and with no creative midfielder. I wouldn't be surprised with Phillips injured he slots Dyer into DM spot so he can Harry Maguire can keep his CB position.Nice One Cyril wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:40 amAgreed. I'd like him at Spurs.Raich Carter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:34 amAnd none of the midfielders is Maddison who is playing good football in a shite teamNice One Cyril wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:52 pm The squad sums up his mentality, five midfielders and about a dozen defenders.
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No offence NOC but Eric Dier is a dire footballer, must have some very naughty pictures of Gareth to constantly getting in that England squadozzie owl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:20 amSouthgate would rather play 3-4-3 and with no creative midfielder. I wouldn't be surprised with Phillips injured he slots Dyer into DM spot so he can Harry Maguire can keep his CB position.Nice One Cyril wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:40 amAgreed. I'd like him at Spurs.Raich Carter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:34 amAnd none of the midfielders is Maddison who is playing good football in a shite teamNice One Cyril wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:52 pm The squad sums up his mentality, five midfielders and about a dozen defenders.
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Been 2 years since Dier has played for England but on form miles ahead of Maguire.Raich Carter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:32 amNo offence NOC but Eric Dier is a dire footballer, must have some very naughty pictures of Gareth to constantly getting in that England squadozzie owl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:20 amSouthgate would rather play 3-4-3 and with no creative midfielder. I wouldn't be surprised with Phillips injured he slots Dyer into DM spot so he can Harry Maguire can keep his CB position.Nice One Cyril wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:40 amAgreed. I'd like him at Spurs.Raich Carter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:34 amAnd none of the midfielders is Maddison who is playing good football in a shite teamNice One Cyril wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:52 pm The squad sums up his mentality, five midfielders and about a dozen defenders.
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Dire is probably a bit overboard, but I agree he's bang average. I think he plays better as the central defender of a three than in a four, but not my idea of an England player.Raich Carter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:32 amNo offence NOC but Eric Dier is a dire footballer, must have some very naughty pictures of Gareth to constantly getting in that England squad
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Southgate will go this tried and tested 3-4- 3Nice One Cyril wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:08 pmDire is probably a bit overboard, but I agree he's bang average. I think he plays better as the central defender of a three than in a four, but not my idea of an England player.Raich Carter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:32 amNo offence NOC but Eric Dier is a dire footballer, must have some very naughty pictures of Gareth to constantly getting in that England squad
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....to Australia
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Ben White a better footballer than Dier & Maguire. Ben has shown his versatility this season & missed out all togetherNice One Cyril wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:08 pmDire is probably a bit overboard, but I agree he's bang average. I think he plays better as the central defender of a three than in a four, but not my idea of an England player.Raich Carter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:32 amNo offence NOC but Eric Dier is a dire footballer, must have some very naughty pictures of Gareth to constantly getting in that England squad
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Jesus, old man Henderson in for Phillips now. Still no place for Maddison, one of the most creative midfielders in the EPL.Raich Carter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:34 amAnd none of the midfielders is Maddison who is playing good football in a shite teamNice One Cyril wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:52 pm The squad sums up his mentality, five midfielders and about a dozen defenders.
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N5 1BH wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:03 pmJesus, old man Henderson in for Phillips now. Still no place for Maddison, one of the most creative midfielders in the EPL.Raich Carter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:34 amAnd none of the midfielders is Maddison who is playing good football in a shite teamNice One Cyril wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:52 pm The squad sums up his mentality, five midfielders and about a dozen defenders.
Southgate wants two defensive minded central midfielders who can run all day , hence he leaves out Maddison . With no natural ten in the squad I agree Maddison should be picked .
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He's going to play six defensive players plus a keeper and four of the other five will be expected to cover for the clueless defenders he'll pick. Harry will have to drop about 40 yards to be anywhere within shouting distance of his midfield and it'll be boring as batshit. We'll get to the round of 16 and Gareth will be knighted by King Charles. I'd chop his bottle of shiraz head off with the swordozzie owl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:21 pmN5 1BH wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:03 pmJesus, old man Henderson in for Phillips now. Still no place for Maddison, one of the most creative midfielders in the EPL.Raich Carter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:34 amAnd none of the midfielders is Maddison who is playing good football in a shite teamNice One Cyril wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:52 pm The squad sums up his mentality, five midfielders and about a dozen defenders.
Southgate wants two defensive minded central midfielders who can run all day , hence he leaves out Maddison . With no natural ten in the squad I agree Maddison should be picked .
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If results go as predicted England likely to face France in QF.Nice One Cyril wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:07 pmHe's going to play six defensive players plus a keeper and four of the other five will be expected to cover for the clueless defenders he'll pick. Harry will have to drop about 40 yards to be anywhere within shouting distance of his midfield and it'll be boring as batshit. We'll get to the round of 16 and Gareth will be knighted by King Charles. I'd chop his bottle of shiraz head off with the swordozzie owl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:21 pmN5 1BH wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:03 pmJesus, old man Henderson in for Phillips now. Still no place for Maddison, one of the most creative midfielders in the EPL.Raich Carter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:34 amAnd none of the midfielders is Maddison who is playing good football in a shite teamNice One Cyril wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:52 pm The squad sums up his mentality, five midfielders and about a dozen defenders.
Southgate wants two defensive minded central midfielders who can run all day , hence he leaves out Maddison . With no natural ten in the squad I agree Maddison should be picked .
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Surely we can do better than Henderson? Maddison deserves a last chance I would have thought - Southgate knows what he gets from Henderson (which isn't very much).
TAA can't be trusted as a defender - anyone who can't see that is blind. I do get the argument that Maguire has never let England down but Southgate made a rod for his own back when he said he would pick players on form.
Is Sancho really in that good form? Genuine question.
Not excited at a all by the player mix - probably best summed up by the fact that he's gone for Henderson over Maddison.
TAA can't be trusted as a defender - anyone who can't see that is blind. I do get the argument that Maguire has never let England down but Southgate made a rod for his own back when he said he would pick players on form.
Is Sancho really in that good form? Genuine question.
Not excited at a all by the player mix - probably best summed up by the fact that he's gone for Henderson over Maddison.
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Seen better defending at a Sunday amateur game than this mornings showing! Dier, standing 10 yards off the goal scorer, didn't even look to close down the space. Walker turned so easily.. 3 of the defenders lucky to play 90mins between them this season, looked slow & off pace. I would of thought as a national coach it's your job to select players who are playing regular football for their club & in good form, not players built of reputation
I think Southgate is lucky its this close to the WC, otherwise he would of been moved on
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Italy thoroughly deserved the win creating far more than a ponderous England , with almost no creative play . Southgate looks like his only game plan is sit back and hope the side sneak a goal from set play or penaltyhaywood djablowme wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:26 am Seen better defending at a Sunday amateur game than this mornings showing! Dier, standing 10 yards off the goal scorer, didn't even look to close down the space. Walker turned so easily.. 3 of the defenders lucky to play 90mins between them this season, looked slow & off pace. I would of thought as a national coach it's your job to select players who are playing regular football for their club & in good form, not players built of reputation
I think Southgate is lucky its this close to the WC, otherwise he would of been moved on
No goals in open play in 5 Nations League games says it all.
Southgate said the England performance was a step in the right direction , WTF.
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improvement on the 4-0 loss to Hungary......Southgate said the England performance was a step in the right direction , WTF.
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Gareth is a dead man walking.
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England and San Marino are spoken about in the same breath.....
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They are so bad under Southgate, I'm beginning to think that Greece will beat them at the World Cup.....
.....what's that? Greece won't be there, surely there's some mistake.
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Don't be hurt, I'm sure you'll make a World Cup soon, but since San Marino are not at the World Cup either, it would seem far more likely that they and Greece would be of roughly equal standard and therefore discussed together.
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mate....no need to deflect.....only stating that San Marino and England are the only teams not to have scored from open play in over 400 minutes....
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As Southgate said,he personally feels the performance was a step in the right direction.