Rangers v Celtic

[Nice One Cyril]

He's offside here. End of story.

This could be a great wind up.

Dismal decision, don't they have VAR in the SPL?

It's not even close, he's offside by a couple of yards.

No offence in that.

[eagleboy]

He's offside here. End of story.

This could be a great wind up.

Dismal decision, don't they have VAR in the SPL?

It's not even close, he's offside by a couple of yards.

A defender can pass to an attacker in an offside position, and it is still offside.


The relevant part of Law 11 states as follows (emphasis added):

2. Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
(...)

gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:

rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar, match official or an opponent

(...)

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.

No change to Law 11 is necessary but, to reflect football’s expectation, the guidelines for distinguishing between ‘deliberate play’ and ‘deflection’ are clarified as follows:

‘Deliberate play’ is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of:

passing the ball to a team-mate; or

gaining possession of the ball; or

clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it).

[N5 1BH]

He charged at the defender from an offside position so interfering with defenders decision making. Couldn’t be any clearer offside

[God is an Englishman]

He's offside here. End of story.

This could be a great wind up.

Dismal decision, don't they have VAR in the SPL?

It's not even close, he's offside by a couple of yards.

A defender can pass to an attacker in an offside position, and it is still offside.


The relevant part of Law 11 states as follows (emphasis added):

2. Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
(...)

gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:

rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar, match official or an opponent

(...)

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.

No change to Law 11 is necessary but, to reflect football’s expectation, the guidelines for distinguishing between ‘deliberate play’ and ‘deflection’ are clarified as follows:

‘Deliberate play’ is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of:

passing the ball to a team-mate; or

gaining possession of the ball; or

clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it).

Exactly. Amazing how many people don't understand this part of the law. Clear offside, not even close but the great unwashed will claim a conspiracy against them anyway.

[God is an Englishman]

He's offside here. End of story.

This could be a great wind up.

Dismal decision, don't they have VAR in the SPL?

It's not even close, he's offside by a couple of yards.

No offence in that.

No there's not, in fact it even states in the LOTG that it isn't an offence. However, you can't interere with play when offside.

[thebeautifulgame]

Rangers v Celtic at Ibrox today/tonight.
Beale will want to press high against Celtic and show some attacking initiative by putting them on the back foot.
Recent form would suggest a win for Celtic, especially if they turn up. If Rangers are on song it should prove to be a ripper of a game. Rangers need 3 points, anything less and the bears will be unhappy. Celtic can afford to lose but Ange and the Bhoys will be out to get the win. A lot of ifs, buts and maybes- Celtic to win 2-1 and dedicate the victory to Frank McGarvey who passed away aged 66 years. He was a handful on his day. RIP Frank.

[thebeautifulgame]

Rangers 2 v Celtic 2
Summary-
Celtic were quick out the blocks and scored early following a poor cross-field pass from Morelos which was punished by Maeda with a composed finish. Celtic in total control without making many chances for the first thirty or so minutes. Momentum seemed to turn after a terrible error by Celtic 'keeper Hart who delayed on the ball but redeemed himself by making a wonderful save by deflecting a Kent well placed shot on to the post. Rangers were now pushing hard for an equaliser but they couldn't snatch a goal before half-time though Morelos was the main sinner, missing two glaring chances from set pieces with off target headers (over the top and wide).

Two minutes in to the second half Kent scored with a wonderful curling effort beyond Hart's far post after an error by Juranovic, who seemed to struggle with the pace and trickery of Sikala. Five or so minutes later Rangers were awarded a penalty when Starfelt upended Sikala and Tavernier dispatched the penalty with perfect precision.

The game became a tad scrappy at times with Rangers keen to hold on to their lead. Though Celtic started to regain more possession they failed to create any chances of note and Rangers almost caught them on the counter when Tillman should have pulled the trigger earlier but was denied by a desperate Carter-Vickers' block with his delayed shot.
Rangers tried to protect the lead by making a couple of defensive substitutions whilst Celtic did the opposite, throwing on Jota and Giakomakous around the 77 minute mark.

Celtic looked the more likely late on and got their equaliser through Kyogo in 88 minutes who finished well after good work by Mooy down the left channel.

Rangers will be gutted and Celtic will be relieved as they remain nine points ahead of their most bitter rivals. Bottom line is Celtic will grow stronger and Rangers will struggle to maintain the nine point lead over Celtic, never mind close it.

Well done Ange, tough game but our never say die attitude got us through it!

Also a good word to the Referee Beaton(allegedly a Rangers' man)- thought he managed the occasion with a cool head and never got sucked in by the supporters or the players. Only two yellow cards in such a game takes a bit of credit.

[eagleboy]

:2:2 A good result for the good guys. Late goal to Celtic stopped evil prevailing.

[Con M]

:2:2 A good result for the good guys. Late goal to Celtic stopped evil prevailing.

We enjoyed that derby after coming home from the A-League game @ Estadio Hindmarsh.

Plenty of good passing on display, not just the blood and thunder approach of ye olde days.

[Get In The Car]

minutes later Rangers were awarded a penalty when Starfelt upended Sikala

Starfelt didn't upend sikala. sikala stood on Starfelt's foot.

[thebeautifulgame]

minutes later Rangers were awarded a penalty when Starfelt upended Sikala

Starfelt didn't upend sikala. sikala stood on Starfelt's foot.

Yes it was a tough call but Starfelt did himself no favours by lunging in like that, giving the Ref a big decision to make which was not pulled back by VAR. Also I reckon Celtic should have been awarded a penalty for handball against Goldson who made himself bigger by raising both arms in an 'unnatural position'. Really strange that VAR did not see this as a clear and obvious error on the Ref's behalf.
I am a mad keen Celtic man though I am not a bigot- I thought the Referee had a very good game in general. He tried to let the game flow as much as possible and keep the cautions down, whilst still having a firm grip on the game. There was really only one flashpoint and Beaton handled the situation well.

What a clown Morelos is- making a big deal of Greg Taylor lying on the turf with a hamstring injury. Was this to stir up the Bears and make them forget that he missed two glaring chances and was at fault for Celtic's first goal? Don't think a cheap stunt like that will hide the fact he had a shocker.

Spitting mad at the morons(so called Celtic supporters) who shamed the club with their idiotic disrespect during the minute's silence. Not making excuses for them but the situation isn't helped when so called Rangers' supporters sing about the death of Tommy Burns (ex Celtic player). Both sets of supporters are as bad as each other and love nothing better to do than hurl abuse at each other but this stuff crosses the line.
Happy with the point but raging at the behaviour, if they can't respect the death of fellow human beings what's the point?

[eagleboy]

minutes later Rangers were awarded a penalty when Starfelt upended Sikala

Starfelt didn't upend sikala. sikala stood on Starfelt's foot.

Yes it was a tough call but Starfelt did himself no favours by lunging in like that, giving the Ref a big decision to make which was not pulled back by VAR. Also I reckon Celtic should have been awarded a penalty for handball against Goldson who made himself bigger by raising both arms in an 'unnatural position'. Really strange that VAR did not see this as a clear and obvious error on the Ref's behalf.
I am a mad keen Celtic man though I am not a bigot- I thought the Referee had a very good game in general. He tried to let the game flow as much as possible and keep the cautions down, whilst still having a firm grip on the game. There was really only one flashpoint and Beaton handled the situation well.

What a clown Morelos is- making a big deal of Greg Taylor lying on the turf with a hamstring injury. Was this to stir up the Bears and make them forget that he missed two glaring chances and was at fault for Celtic's first goal? Don't think a cheap stunt like that will hide the fact he had a shocker.

Spitting mad at the morons(so called Celtic supporters) who shamed the club with their idiotic disrespect during the minute's silence. Not making excuses for them but the situation isn't helped when so called Rangers' supporters sing about the death of Tommy Burns (ex Celtic player). Both sets of supporters are as bad as each other and love nothing better to do than hurl abuse at each other but this stuff crosses the line.
Happy with the point but raging at the behaviour, if they can't respect the death of fellow human beings what's the point?

Morelos is a clown. So much talent but....

Also, that was a hand ball as you said. Maybe it was dismissed with the player protecting himself, but it was away from his face. The VAR should have called the ref over to review. The VAR should not referee the game.
https://videocelts.com/2023/01/blogs/la ... ed-stories

[God is an Englishman]

Didn't see the game but Morelos was right and it was never a penalty.

[Michael]

:2:2 A good result for the good guys. Late goal to Celtic stopped evil prevailing.

[thebeautifulgame]

Celtic 2 v Rangers 1 in Scottish League Cup Final.
Was a pretty even game for spells though the best team won in the end.
Unbelievable that Celtic failed to net a third in the dying stages when Rangers went all out to chase the equaliser.
When Celtic went 2-0 up through a Kyogo double it looked all over until Morelos pulled one back, which turned the momentum in Rangers' favour. However once Celtic regained their composure they showed their superiority by comfortably seeing the game out.
Decent game and all the better Celtic won- well done Ange and the Bhoys!

[eagleboy]

Celtic 2 v Rangers 1 in Scottish League Cup Final.
Was a pretty even game for spells though the best team won in the end.
Unbelievable that Celtic failed to net a third in the dying stages when Rangers went all out to chase the equaliser.
When Celtic went 2-0 up through a Kyogo double it looked all over until Morelos pulled one back, which turned the momentum in Rangers' favour. However once Celtic regained their composure they showed their superiority by comfortably seeing the game out.
Decent game and all the better Celtic won- well done Ange and the Bhoys!

Celtic looked cooked halfway through the second half. They gave away some terrible opportunities to Rangers to score.

Overall, another triumph again of good over evil.

[God is an Englishman]

Overall, another triumph again of good over evil.

[Michael]

Celtic 2 v Rangers 1 in Scottish League Cup Final.
Was a pretty even game for spells though the best team won in the end.
Unbelievable that Celtic failed to net a third in the dying stages when Rangers went all out to chase the equaliser.
When Celtic went 2-0 up through a Kyogo double it looked all over until Morelos pulled one back, which turned the momentum in Rangers' favour. However once Celtic regained their composure they showed their superiority by comfortably seeing the game out.
Decent game and all the better Celtic won- well done Ange and the Bhoys!

Celtic looked cooked halfway through the second half. They gave away some terrible opportunities to Rangers to score.

Overall, another triumph again of good over evil.

In the end, Good prevails over Evil!

[God is an Englishman]

In the end, Good prevails over Evil!

[thebeautifulgame]

I don't buy in to the good guys/bad guys narrative as there are idiots and bigots on both sides of the divide.

However on Sunday I was disappointed on three fronts with Rangers Football Club and their support:

Rangers F.C. refused to have their shirts embroidered with the team names and the occasion which goes against the normal protocol for a Cup Final. Celtic on the other hand did the right thing by doing so.

During the minute's applause respecting the late Ron Gordon (ex Executive Chairman of Hibernian Football Club) the Rangers' support thought it appropriate to belt out the Billy Boys anthem, a disgusting 'anthem' glorifying the death of Catholics. This song is deplorable and to sing it at any time is disgusting, never mind during a mark of respect for the loss of a life.

Rangers F.C. decided to go against protocol post match by immediately heading for the tunnel after being presented with their runner-up medals. I'm not saying they should applaud their opponents but they should have shown sporting integrity by sticking to the official protocol.

My view is these decisions were made by the Management of Rangers so the players cannot be faulted, they made a valiant effort and came up short against a better team.
The issue is the Scottish media don't seem to make an example of Rangers when they are at fault- this was an error of judgement by them (the club) and they should be openly challenged to explain their actions.

Though Chris Sutton is a loudmouth and stirs the pot I like him as he is not afraid to speak his mind. I don't agree with him at times but at least he sticks up for his former club when required to do so. I think the Scottish media is showing a bias towards Rangers at the minute so it is good Chris is around to fight Celtic's corner.

Finally, I thought the Referee and his Assistants showed consistency and maturity- they did a great job. A Cup Final that did not require VAR intervention throughout the entire 90+ minutes- how refreshing!

[Frank Costanza]

I don't buy in to the good guys/bad guys narrative as there are idiots and bigots on both sides of the divide.

However on Sunday I was disappointed on three fronts with Rangers Football Club and their support:

Rangers F.C. refused to have their shirts embroidered with the team names and the occasion which goes against the normal protocol for a Cup Final. Celtic on the other hand did the right thing by doing so.

During the minute's applause respecting the late Ron Gordon (ex Executive Chairman of Hibernian Football Club) the Rangers' support thought it appropriate to belt out the Billy Boys anthem, a disgusting 'anthem' glorifying the death of Catholics. This song is deplorable and to sing it at any time is disgusting, never mind during a mark of respect for the loss of a life.

Rangers F.C. decided to go against protocol post match by immediately heading for the tunnel after being presented with their runner-up medals. I'm not saying they should applaud their opponents but they should have shown sporting integrity by sticking to the official protocol.

My view is these decisions were made by the Management of Rangers so the players cannot be faulted, they made a valiant effort and came up short against a better team.
The issue is the Scottish media don't seem to make an example of Rangers when they are at fault- this was an error of judgement by them (the club) and they should be openly challenged to explain their actions.

Though Chris Sutton is a loudmouth and stirs the pot I like him as he is not afraid to speak his mind. I don't agree with him at times but at least he sticks up for his former club when required to do so. I think the Scottish media is showing a bias towards Rangers at the minute so it is good Chris is around to fight Celtic's corner.

Finally, I thought the Referee and his Assistants showed consistency and maturity- they did a great job. A Cup Final that did not require VAR intervention throughout the entire 90+ minutes- how refreshing!

Complaint #1 - a bit ticky-tacky for mine. If they don't want to put that on their shirts then so be it
Complaint #2 - agree with you
Complaint #3 - disagree with you - losing team does not have to stick around if they don't want to. It may be bad sportsmanship but they're allowed to move along quickly if they choose to

[N5 1BH]

#2 - celtic set the precedent

[thebeautifulgame]

#2 - celtic set the precedent

Setting a precedent doesn't excuse the disrespect on the day. I condemned our lot so I am entitled to condemn their lot.

No one set a precedent in my opinion as it has been back and forth for well over a century. Saying one or the other set a precedent is not dealing with the problem, only sweeping it under the carpet so in essence the authorities are accepting this nonsense. To be fair it is a deep rooted problem which won't go away as the bigots hate each other with a passion.

Rangers did set a precedent (August 2021) when they withdrew their ticket allocation for Celtic fans- thanks for reminding me.

[Get In The Car]

Over a century? Sevco were only formed a decade or so ago.

[God is an Englishman]

Over a century? Sevco were only formed a decade or so ago.

Too obvious, like a few others.

[thebeautifulgame]

Over a century? Sevco were only formed a decade or so ago.

Good point!

[N5 1BH]

So, celtic started it

[Get In The Car]

[God is an Englishman]

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[eagleboy]

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