club with the best junior pathway and development

[prefly]

May I make a suggestion, to some of the people placing comments

Read the topic and try and keep to it and if you don't have anythying constructuve to say DON'T

This is an excellent tool for open debate not a slagging match.

Have a great day and good luck to all clubs with juniour programs.

May I make a suggestion JW, stop trying to tell people the rules of the forums. As you said mate this is an open forum and people have the right to say what they like, if its crap like that pillock TiTi Thierry Henry wrote they would get chopped down very quickly. It’s serving you ok with all the free advertising your giving yourself. Who decides if the comments are constuctive or not -- you! god help us!! If you dont like whats being written challenge it. This topic started as a serious debate about Developement and Pathways even to the point of defining them, with some excelent points made by Nova, then you jump in telling everybody how brillant you are (and therefore raiders are or will be the best) because you will play players up!!!! shite mate what club doesnt do that. You said in one of your earlier posts that it was time to have less talk and more action on this subject,............. sounds good.

[one nil]

May I make a suggestion, to some of the people placing comments

Read the topic and try and keep to it and if you don't have anythying constructuve to say DON'T

This is an excellent tool for open debate not a slagging match.

Have a great day and good luck to all clubs with juniour programs.

May I make a suggestion JW, stop trying to tell people the rules of the forums. As you said mate this is an open forum and people have the right to say what they like, if its crap like that pillock TiTi Thierry Henry wrote they would get chopped down very quickly. It’s serving you ok with all the free advertising your giving yourself. Who decides if the comments are constuctive or not -- you! god help us!! If you dont like whats being written challenge it. This topic started as a serious debate about Developement and Pathways even to the point of defining them, with some excelent points made by Nova, then you jump in telling everybody how brillant you are (and therefore raiders are or will be the best) because you will play players up!!!! shite mate what club doesnt do that. You said in one of your earlier posts that it was time to have less talk and more action on this subject,............. sounds good.

Amen to that

[John Walker AFPP]

Like I keep saying keep thinks constructive if you want a private dance call me on 0428816505

JW

[Squizzy]

Like I keep saying keep thinks constructive if you want a private dance call me on 0428816505

JW

With all due respect Mr. Walker as this is a public forum, to dictate rules over and above what Admin asks, is futile and perhaps a little bit silly.

As you are a Coach, I'm sure you are well versed in taking the good with the bad.

[thierry14]

tisc tisc
is this garbage still goin on
u guys need to lighten up
and yes my sole purpose is to cause trouble on this coaching forum

whose that person that said what i say wud get me chopped dwn
i'll chop u dwn big boi

[John Walker AFPP]

Okay back onto the topic
How do we measure our developments, is it on results ?????????????? Players reaching higher level of competiton ??????????????
Moving onto higher levels ie the A league or what ?????????????????????
Difficult to measure improvments as it means different things to different people, however if a player is happy learning and keeping fit we are on the right path.
As for players with hunger give em plenty of guidance and HONESTY please.

Good luck to all development coaches and club coaches for 2009.

Not long now for talking to place on the park but lets remember it takes time to develop so please dont go for the quick fix.

John Walker
AFPP

[Nova]

That's actually off topic aswell

All the best to everyone this season

[Squizzy]

That's actually off topic aswell

All the best to everyone this season

Ditto.

[rabbit]

Ditto too......or is that ditto as well? Double ditto perhaps? Ditto anyway...........

[lefty]

Any Eliz & Dist Club

[rabbit]

Any Eliz & Dist Club

Bold statement :?

[prefly]

bloody stupid statement if you ask me

[Southampton #7]

Any Eliz & Dist Club

There is about 23 clubs.
Andrews Farm Angle Vale Barossa United Eastern Park Elizabeth Downs Elizabeth Grove Elizabeth Vale Gawler Ingle Farm Modbury Vista Munno Para One Tree Hill
Parafield Gardens Para Hills Para Hills East Para Hills West Salisbury East Salisbury United Salisbury Villa St Augustines Tea Tree Gully Valley View Virginia United

[povman_2009]

Any Eliz & Dist Club

[Ian Saint John]

Well ‘Mr Walker’ & ‘Back of the Net’
You have done a fine job this year at Raiders haven’t you develop youth!
Apart from your loud mouth bragging about how good you are and what your going to do at Raiders lets look at what you have done in 2009.
What did you say; “Like I keep saying keep thinks constructive” if you want a private dance call me on 0428816505
JW
Yes every technical director will say that, but how will they do it and what experience do they have.
I think it is time for working and not talking about this stuff. I will work hard and I will make Raiders one of the best if not THE best junior club in SA.
JW
John Walker AFPP and Mr back of the net you said,
As one of Walker's bosses....by the way my name is Brenton Waye ... say what you like about us but we are here to stay and grow and develop players thats is what walker is employed to do and spend a minute with him and he will excite anyone that is passionate about player development. So i guess we will have to see what the Raiders deliver....2009..
So lets address these statements and be constructive Mr Walker shall we………………?
In 2008
13B 2nd
14A bottom
15C 5th
16 9th
17A 7th
In 2009 :
13B 2nd from bottom no change then from last years U12’s
14D 3rd from bottom, humm (1 place up from last year)
14A 3rd from bottom (from second place u13B last year) humm big improvement
15B 2nd from bottom wow…a marked improvement from bottom year’s u14 A’s.
16C 2nd in C Division, a big improvement from 5th in u15c even with most of your academy boys in the team and all that extra training you have been lavishing on them!
174th in C Division from 9th in U16 NE division last year.

The Walker statement
“I think it is time for working and not talking about this stuff. I will work hard and I will make Raiders one of the best if not THE best junior club in SA.”
Yes, we can all see the improvements, and by your statements, it looks like you have done more talking and certainly more drinking than working at Raiders.
Lets, take a look and be more construct, because that’s what you asked of us on this forum was’nt it Mr Walker?
What, has been the other great things have we seen…Discipline, Player and parent participation, conduct humm….No. Mr Walker, your other great performance was at Galaxy when throwing your beer and spitting on that young Galaxy player whilst he was on the pitch and the game was being played. Yet another great standard setting performance….you are certainly making the club one of the best clubs to be at……… aren’t you!

As For you Mr Benton Waye, being proud as ‘his boss’ announcing yourself on this very forum, what other club would employ a Technical Director, who again on this public forum states “if you want a private dance call me” and conducts himself like a football hooligan at the Galxay match. By still employing him you are condoning this kind of conduct!

Under FFSA, FFA there by FIFA rules; is a person allowed to hold a position on an committee within a league club, if they are declared bankrupt, I’m sure they are not ?

That does not sound like, as you so boldly put it, “grow and develop players thats is what walker is employed to do”
Who in their right mind would want their children coached, or be within 100m of this Technical Director or at club that condones such disgraceful conduct, by association. Good luck with trying to recruit new players or in fact keep the players you have….”So i guess we will have to see what the Raiders deliver....2009..”, god help any one thinking of going to Raiders in 2010 under that Technical Director / coach and Director of Food Ball. I will definitely be taking my grandson some where else to trial for an u16’s team next season for sure.

We will have to see how many A’s and B squad teams you develop next season, as it looks like your great achievement will be having any squads next year to develop at all…!
And, PS, Mr Walker the amount of times you ask people if they want to dance, you must be lonely or dance as good as you can coach…..?

Well done Mr Walker & Mr Back of the net, with the only thing you have done so well is drive good people away from a great club and I almost forgot…marking the pitches and feather your own nest so well at the same time, congratulations were they are due……!

[soccerroo]

Well Robbie,
Looks like you learned some good things in your time with Croatia Whyalla,that it`s not rocket science and like so many of your ex-team-mates have shown quality coaching......e.g Karl Veart,Zlatko(Zac )Belanic,Jackie Braidwood,Joe Lareki,Boris Paleka.....

[Nice One Cyril]

Regarding formations, I agree with Marcello Lippi's comments that the make-up of the team will determine the formation; and not that the coach will make the team play to his / her chosen formation.

Send this to Mr Vidmar.

[ann]

There is no such thing as "development"in Junior soccer in clubs. There is certainly no Pathway when year to year you can be ousted during trials depending on who the coach brings with them, or the number of others kids who travel miles around trialling at club after club. All clubs ( and coaches) are out for glory at a very early level, and so look for kids who are ready made winners during trials. They don't want to put a little work into a kid who shows real potential but may need some confidence or a little extra attention. . It is bizaare. Hey guys wake up to yourselves, cause you are putting a whole lot of really good kids off the sport. It is absolutely amazing to suggest that champions are born not made. I guess there goes Institute of sports funding, if champions just will find their own way. Development seems to only happen with special actvities such as camps and clinics, so if a club offers them then that is a club that develops, but it is only a sideline created specifically to make money. Heaven forbid that junior development should become a focus of clubs at the junior level without more and more money coming out of parents pockets. that sounds a bit too much like aussie rules doesn't it.

[Squizzy]

There is no such thing as "development"in Junior soccer in clubs. There is certainly no Pathway when year to year you can be ousted during trials depending on who the coach brings with them, or the number of others kids who travel miles around trialling at club after club. All clubs ( and coaches) are out for glory at a very early level, and so look for kids who are ready made winners during trials. They don't want to put a little work into a kid who shows real potential but may need some confidence or a little extra attention. . It is bizaare. Hey guys wake up to yourselves, cause you are putting a whole lot of really good kids off the sport. It is absolutely amazing to suggest that champions are born not made. I guess there goes Institute of sports funding, if champions just will find their own way. Development seems to only happen with special actvities such as camps and clinics, so if a club offers them then that is a club that develops, but it is only a sideline created specifically to make money. Heaven forbid that junior development should become a focus of clubs at the junior level without more and more money coming out of parents pockets. that sounds a bit too much like aussie rules doesn't it.

You sound like a very bitter and twisted person!! Which is a shame; more so than a criticism.

There are Coaches and Clubs out there who develop junior players, it's sad that you have not come across one yet though. And no, they are not few and far between. I'm not here to name them (well unless they renumerate me ).

I would also add that it is a two way street. There are plenty of junior players that once they are picked in a team - without trialling (and have been a part of the Club for some time), still try their luck elsewhere regardless.

Not quite sure how to interpret your comment about Aussie Rules. If you are saying that it's the same then I agree. If you are saying that it's not, then you are kidding yourself. It's junior sport; full stop.

[Nice One Cyril]

Personally I don't have a problem with the clubs picking the 'best' available at trials. Those who run the clubs have a duty to do so imo. All I would ask is that once they've selected their squad, on whatever criteria they use, they then make development more of a priority than winning. Unfortunately too many coaches think they're coaching the Socceroos, and their personal glory in coaching a winning team becomes the focus rather than the kids.

We've all seen it where a big lump with next to zero skill who's 13 but looks 17 gets to play every minute of every game because of his size and his importance to winning. Yet the small kid who can actually play but is not as effective at age 13 sits on the bench. Yet when they're both 19 or 20 the big lump still can't play and is not so big any more and the little kid can still play but is now the same size as the lump. Who's the better player then?

That is not to say that big kids can't play, rather that some coaches look for effectiveness at a young age, rather than football ability.

[Squizzy]

Personally I don't have a problem with the clubs picking the 'best' available at trials. Those who run the clubs have a duty to do so imo. All I would ask is that once they've selected their squad, on whatever criteria they use, they then make development more of a priority than winning. Unfortunately too many coaches think they're coaching the Socceroos, and their personal glory in coaching a winning team becomes the focus rather than the kids.

We've all seen it where a big lump with next to zero skill who's 13 but looks 17 gets to play every minute of every game because of his size and his importance to winning. Yet the small kid who can actually play but is not as effective at age 13 sits on the bench. Yet when they're both 19 or 20 the big lump still can't play and is not so big any more and the little kid can still play but is now the same size as the lump. Who's the better player then?

That is not to say that big kids can't play, rather that some coaches look for effectiveness at a young age, rather than football ability.

Fair call.

[Martin Tyler]

Pretty easy answer to the question if you get asked which Club has the best pathway and development....

Whoever gets asked should and would answer "ours" otherwise why would you be there either as a player, coach or parent?