Nice One Cyril wrote:
We are generalising. In this particular incident, I'm not arguing and I'm quite happy to accept the referee's interpretation ON THE DAY for ALL incidents. But, there will be times when the ref get's it right, in which case he should be applauded, and times when he gets it wrong, which is where the MRP would come into play. If they decide that no contact was made (with no intent), then they should have the power to rescind the red card and punish the simulating player. If they felt that there was intent to injure and the other player was simply avoiding having his leg broken then, so long as he doesn't go down holding his face and rolling about like a big tart, there would be no case and the red card would stand. That's all.
So basically, a quick 20 second review of the red card/goal/lack thereof on the sidelines?
Which bit of this are you struggling with? I'm assuming you haven't read the whole thread. The MRP would sit the following day.
The bit where I had to read the entire paragraph, obviously...
Anyone searching for an illustration of the deeper problems in English football - highlighted again by this World Cup - should look no further than the game's response to a report by Richard Lewis, the chairman of Sport England, published three years ago.
The "Review of Young Players' Development in Professional Football" was produced when Lewis was still running the Rugby Football League and was supposed to provide a new structure for youth development in English football.
A brief history of what happened to his 64 recommendations is enlightening in the context of the debate the game is now having after England manager Fabio Capello's ageing side was taken apart by a resurgent young German team just over a week ago.
Lewis's key proposal was that a youth development group would be established and run by an independent chairman, free of the influence of the bodies which oversee the game.
In April 2008, after eight months of arguments and power struggles, the three bodies which run football - the Football Association, the Premier League and the Football League - agreed a compromise, with former FA technical director and Leeds manager Howard Wilkinson appointed chairman of a new youth management board.
After a few promising meetings, with some of the early ones even attended by Capello, the spirit of co-operation broke down. By January 2009, it had been disbanded, with Wilkinson never getting beyond the report's terms of reference.
Here's what Lewis proposed on the hot topic of club versus country:
1. In the best interests of talented English players, the FA and clubs should
continue to work together to support the production of talented English players for
England teams.
2. Allow greater opportunity for talented English players to experience international
get-togethers.
3. Full support and investment to be given in the drive to improve the quality of
coaching available at the very youngest age groups.
4. The FA to cement the long-term player development strategy and make
available a core national coaching syllabus to assist clubs.
5. A change in ethos in age groups 5-11 so that much more emphasis is given to
skill development and acquisition rather than an emphasis on results in matches.
This should include consideration for the enhancement of development centres
and their possible future licensing.
Speak to the FA and one of its biggest complaints is that, while the Premier League and Football League clubs do invest huge amounts of money in their academies and centres of excellence, there has never been a core coaching strategy aimed at delivering talented young English players for the national teams.
Interestingly, just before the World Cup, the FA finally produced that strategy entitled "The Future Game". Despite the FA having no power to impose the ideas in the document, it is hoped the clubs are prepared to adopt what it is proposing.
There is far more concern over the issue of specialist coaches for younger age groups. The German FA has more than 150 full-time coaches dedicated to working with these younger children, while the FA has only 20. The FA says it simply doesn't have the money to increase those numbers.
As a consequence, the number of hours of coaching received by English youth players in the academy system is way behind that received in other countries - and other sports and disciplines. The standard measure to produce an elite athlete is 10,000 hours between the ages of 10 and 18. A player produced by the English academy system would get 2,600 hours. A player coming through the system at Ajax will have received more than double that.
Sir Trevor Brooking, the FA's director of football development, has long argued that the key time for young players is between five and 11, as highlighted by Lewis. But the FA says it doesn't have the resources to tackle the problem. While the FA should undoubtedly lead, it argues that it is also a problem for the government, schools and clubs to deal with.
In fairness to the Premier League, who do far more than the Football League clubs in this area, it argues that the FA has a turnover of £200m and should be able to find money to develop coaching programmes. The FA, it says, shouldn't keep coming cap in hand to the Premier League and then expect it to dance to the FA's tune.
It should also be said that the Premier League, under its new director of youth Ged Roddy, is more enlightened than it has been in the past. Roddy has proposed four key reforms:
1. An academy grading system.
2. Encouraging the best players to train with the best in their region. A pilot scheme involving young players from Birmingham, Aston Villa and West Bromwich Albion is seen as a model to follow.
3. Increase coaching hours to the 10,000 hours standard.
4. For clubs to develop a deeper pool of talent.
This all sounds very promising, but what this boils down to is that the FA wants - and in many ways should have - the greater say over how young players are developed if the priority is the national team and winning World Cups.
The Leagues and the clubs are the ones spending the money and believe they shouldn't be dictated to on how they develop players and what the priorities should be.
In a little over a month, the Premier League machine will spark back into life once more and England's summer of misery will be forgotten.
But if England are to avoid another humiliation in Euro 2012 or in Brazil in 2014 then the lessons must be learned. Re-reading Lewis's report might be a good place to start.
I have lost count of the amount of times I have tried to sell this to you. The premier league run the top level of club football in England. The clubs own the premier league. Why would any of the clubs agree to the measures you have suggested, when it's not in their interests to do so.
The only way out of this would require government intervention. It would require us to pull out of the EU, then government insisting on its new strict immigration rules. Then the clubs would have to revelop youth talent.
The basics are the FA sold their soul and have shiraz football in this country at the national level.
Things I am owed because they're too tight to pay up:
Colossus: One House
Costa: One Lunch
Oh and add in
Colossus: one photo and one letter from his "attorney".
ozzie owl wrote:Never give in Hawksey, one day the FA may wake up.
they can't. To pass any rules that would bring in any of the things talked about to improve the game would require a majority of te premier league sides to agree to it. That just won't happen.
The FA got greedy and now they are paying the price, as is every real football fan in England.
Things I am owed because they're too tight to pay up:
Colossus: One House
Costa: One Lunch
Oh and add in
Colossus: one photo and one letter from his "attorney".
ozzie owl wrote:Never give in Hawksey, one day the FA may wake up.
they can't. To pass any rules that would bring in any of the things talked about to improve the game would require a majority of te premier league sides to agree to it. That just won't happen.
The FA got greedy and now they are paying the price, as is every real football fan in England.
I think you will need a few big ones to go under then you will see change.
ozzie owl wrote:Never give in Hawksey, one day the FA may wake up.
they can't. To pass any rules that would bring in any of the things talked about to improve the game would require a majority of te premier league sides to agree to it. That just won't happen.
The FA got greedy and now they are paying the price, as is every real football fan in England.
I think you will need a few big ones to go under then you will see change.
here's hoping!
Things I am owed because they're too tight to pay up:
Colossus: One House
Costa: One Lunch
Oh and add in
Colossus: one photo and one letter from his "attorney".
The 10 worst player perfomances at the World Cup Match Team Player Rating
England v Algeria 2010-06-18 19:30 England Wayne Rooney 2.45
Ghana v Australia 2010-06-19 15:00 Australia Harry Kewell 2.5
Germany v England 2010-06-27 15:00 England Emile Heskey 2.57
Germany v England 2010-06-27 15:00 England Wayne Rooney 2.76
France v Mexico 2010-06-17 19:30 France Sidney Govou 2.77
Germany v England 2010-06-27 15:00 England John Terry 2.89
France v Mexico 2010-06-17 19:30 France Andre-Pierre Gignac 2.89
France v South Africa 2010-06-22 15:00 France Sidney Govou 2.9
France v Mexico 2010-06-17 19:30 France Nicolas Anelka 2.92
England v Algeria 2010-06-18 19:30 England Frank Lampard 2.99
“Hence, we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks." Winston Churchill
