SAASL offer to FFSA State League clubs

[DOC]

I'm sure Sturt would probably abandon their State League side and focus on their Saturday SAASL Premier league side !

Pretty sure there is no link

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How about this.

2013:
Div 1: Top 8 Div 1 clubs from this year (ie relegate 2 as usual), plus 2 promoted clubs, plus 6 from Feds (16 teams).
Split them evenly into two equal Saturday Div 1 leagues of 8 teams each (Black & White, or something).
Play 3 rounds. (You could even have a playoff of the league winners if you wanted.)

2014:
Div 1: Top 5 in each Div 1 league in 2013 (ie relegate 3 from each), plus 2 promoted (12 teams).
Div 2: 6 relegated teams, plus 4 teams remain from Div 2 (ie relegate 3), plus 2 teams promoted from Div 3 (12 teams).
Div 3: 3 relegated teams, plus 7 teams remain from Div 3 (ie relegate 1), plus two teams promoted from Div 4 (12 teams).
Div 4: 1 relegated team, plus 10 teams remain from Div 4 (11 teams).
(Note: no promotion & relegation from Div 5, it's a 1 team league)

Problem solved.

[God is an Englishman]

Create a Premier Blue and Premier Red Division.

Allow all teams to play for their rightful league status over a whole season where they know where the goalposts are. I remember them doing similar a few years ago, admittedly in the lowest division though.

EDIT: Went to post and saw Otto has suggested similar.

[God is an Englishman]

How about this.

2013:
Div 1: Top 8 Div 1 clubs from this year (ie relegate 2 as usual), plus 2 promoted clubs, plus 6 from Feds (16 teams).
Split them evenly into two equal Saturday Div 1 leagues of 8 teams each (Black & White, or something).
Play 3 rounds. (You could even have a playoff of the league winners if you wanted.)

2014:
Div 1: Top 5 in each Div 1 league in 2013 (ie relegate 3 from each), plus 2 promoted (12 teams).
Div 2: 6 relegated teams, plus 4 teams remain from Div 2 (ie relegate 3), plus 2 teams promoted from Div 3 (12 teams).
Div 3: 3 relegated teams, plus 7 teams remain from Div 3 (ie relegate 1), plus two teams promoted from Div 4 (12 teams).
Div 4: 1 relegated team, plus 10 teams remain from Div 4 (11 teams).
(Note: no promotion & relegation from Div 5, it's a 1 team league)

Problem solved.

The only issue I see with that is that you effectively relegate the premier league team down 2 divisions.

[Wraith]

Create a Premier Blue and Premier Red Division.

Allow all teams to play for their rightful league status over a whole season where they know where the goalposts are. I remember them doing similar a few years ago, admittedly in the lowest division though.

EDIT: Went to post and saw Otto has suggested similar.

+1

I'd go with this

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No GIAE, it only relegates the Prem league (Div 1) teams down to Div 2.
Not like you to have problems with comprehension.

[God is an Englishman]

No GIAE, it only relegates the Prem league (Div 1) teams down to Div 2.
Not like you to have problems with comprehension.

but otto with there being a Premier Black and Premier White, division 2 is effectively the 3rd tier (not the 2nd) or have my comprehension skills really let me down.

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No GIAE, it only relegates the Prem league (Div 1) teams down to Div 2.
Not like you to have problems with comprehension.

but otto with there being a Premier Black and Premier White, division 2 is effectively the 3rd tier (not the 2nd) or have my comprehension skills really let me down.

They are relegated from both Black & White leagues in 2013 into Div 2 in 2014.
Surprisingly, Div 2 in 2014 is actually the second tier, not the third.
I can probably rustle up a Year 5's NAPLAN test if you'd like to try the comprehension questions?

[swannsong]

I'm sure Sturt would probably abandon their State League side and focus on their Saturday SAASL Premier league side !

Ummm, they arent even the same club.

Sorry for not knowing the intimate workings of the 2 clubs called Sturt Marion.....maybe they should be ?

[God is an Englishman]

No GIAE, it only relegates the Prem league (Div 1) teams down to Div 2.
Not like you to have problems with comprehension.

but otto with there being a Premier Black and Premier White, division 2 is effectively the 3rd tier (not the 2nd) or have my comprehension skills really let me down.

They are relegated from both Black & White leagues in 2013 into Div 2 in 2014.
Surprisingly, Div 2 in 2014 is actually the second tier, not the third.
I can probably rustle up a Year 5's NAPLAN test if you'd like to try the comprehension questions?

so what happens to the teams that finish in 9th & 10th in 2012 Premier Division? If they go to Division 2 in 2013, surely that's the 3rd tier!

[God is an Englishman]

I'm sure Sturt would probably abandon their State League side and focus on their Saturday SAASL Premier league side !

Ummm, they arent even the same club.

Sorry for not knowing the intimate workings of the 2 clubs called Sturt Marion.....maybe they should be ?

Sorry Swannie but your knowledge is normally up there with the best on saasl. Take it as a compliment that we all expected better.

Isn't one called Sturt Lions and the other called Sturt Marion?

Could be worse, could be Modbury Jets and Modbury Jets.

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Would be because one is Sturt lion, the other Sturt Marion...

[robinfriday10]

i was told fulham, salisbury villa and 1 collegiate club have shown an expression of interest to the ffsa so if was to happen a 9 team league would be viable

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so what happens to the teams that finish in 9th & 10th in 2012 Premier Division? If they go to Division 2 in 2013, surely that's the 3rd tier!

true, if salisbury and olympic finish where they currently sit and lose their play off with the state leagues 5th and 6th side they affectively will be relegated to the ffsa "Amateur" league or third tier...

[God is an Englishman]

i was told fulham, salisbury villa and 1 collegiate club have shown an expression of interest to the ffsa so if was to happen a 9 team league would be viable

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so what happens to the teams that finish in 9th & 10th in 2012 Premier Division? If they go to Division 2 in 2013, surely that's the 3rd tier!

true, if salisbury

I was actually talking about the saasl premier division. The ffsa teams are irrelevant because they would make their choice as to whether to move or not.

[robinfriday10]

Could be worse, could be Modbury Jets and Modbury Jets

due to stolen identity we know who would have to change

[God is an Englishman]

Could be worse, could be Modbury Jets and Modbury Jets

due to stolen identity we know who would have to change

We sure do

[To Mati]

How about this.

2013:
Div 1: Top 8 Div 1 clubs from this year (ie relegate 2 as usual), plus 2 promoted clubs, plus 6 from Feds (16 teams).
Split them evenly into two equal Saturday Div 1 leagues of 8 teams each (Black & White, or something).
Play 3 rounds. (You could even have a playoff of the league winners if you wanted.)

2014:
Div 1: Top 5 in each Div 1 league in 2013 (ie relegate 3 from each), plus 2 promoted (12 teams).
Div 2: 6 relegated teams, plus 4 teams remain from Div 2 (ie relegate 3), plus 2 teams promoted from Div 3 (12 teams).
Div 3: 3 relegated teams, plus 7 teams remain from Div 3 (ie relegate 1), plus two teams promoted from Div 4 (12 teams).
Div 4: 1 relegated team, plus 10 teams remain from Div 4 (11 teams).
(Note: no promotion & relegation from Div 5, it's a 1 team league)

Problem solved.

Great idea. This approach would probably minimise the frustration across the SAASL if this was to go ahead.
Either way, it's going to be a bloody mess and there will most certainly be a few clubs disappointed with any proposal.

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[Quote GIAE] so what happens to the teams that finish in 9th & 10th in 2012 Premier Division? If they go to Division 2 in 2013, surely that's the 3rd tier![quote]

Good try GIAE, but ....
If they come first or second in 2013 in Div 2 (supposed third tier) they go to Div 1. Sounds like second tier to me.
If they come 3rd-6th in 2013 in Div 2, then they stay in Div 2. Again sounds like second tier to me.
If they come 8th or 9th then they drop to Div 3. Again, sounds like second tier.

So your argument REALLY is that a team relegated from Div 1 in 2012, that finishes 7th in Div 2 the next year, shouldn't have to drop to Div 3.

NAPLAN offer is still open.

[God is an Englishman]

so what happens to the teams that finish in 9th & 10th in 2012 Premier Division? If they go to Division 2 in 2013, surely that's the 3rd tier!

Good try GIAE, but ....
If they come first or second in 2013 in Div 2 (supposed third tier) they go to Div 1. Sounds like second tier to me.
If they come 3rd-6th in 2013 in Div 2, then they stay in Div 2. Again sounds like second tier to me.
If they come 8th or 9th then they drop to Div 3. Again, sounds like second tier.

So your argument REALLY is that a team relegated from Div 1 in 2012, that finishes 7th in Div 2 the next year, shouldn't have to drop to Div 3.

NAPLAN offer is still open.

So the team that finished 9th in Premier in 2012 would drop to division 2 in 2013. Correct?

Division 2 in 2013 would be the 3rd tier (Premier White and Black being effectively the top 2 tiers). Correct?

So they would drop from 1st tier to 3rd tier. Would they not?

[DOC]

They are looking for feedback to make the transition smooth, any ideas should be sent in

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so what happens to the teams that finish in 9th & 10th in 2012 Premier Division? If they go to Division 2 in 2013, surely that's the 3rd tier!

Good try GIAE, but ....
If they come first or second in 2013 in Div 2 (supposed third tier) they go to Div 1. Sounds like second tier to me.
If they come 3rd-6th in 2013 in Div 2, then they stay in Div 2. Again sounds like second tier to me.
If they come 8th or 9th then they drop to Div 3. Again, sounds like second tier.

So your argument REALLY is that a team relegated from Div 1 in 2012, that finishes 7th in Div 2 the next year, shouldn't have to drop to Div 3.

NAPLAN offer is still open.

So the team that finished 9th in Premier in 2012 would drop to division 2 in 2013. Correct?

Division 2 in 2013 would be the 3rd tier (Premier White and Black being effectively the top 2 tiers). Correct?

So they would drop from 1st tier to 3rd tier. Would they not?

No Div 2 is not the third tier.
There is effectively a 16 team Div 1, then Div 2.
There might be a Year 3 NAPLAN test you could try instead.

(Edit for clarity: Neither Black nor White are the second tier, they are jointly the first tier.)

[God is an Englishman]

No Div 2 is not the third tier.
There is effectively a 16 team Div 1, then Div 2.
There might be a Year 3 NAPLAN test you could try instead.

(Edit for clarity: Neither Black nor White are the second tier, they are jointly the first tier.)

the fact that you need to edit for clarity shows you admit that you idea needed clarification.

Does the team who win division 2 in 2013 get promoted to the Premier League?


If there's 2 divisions above you then to me you are in the 3rd tier.

Take the 1982 Commonweath Games as an example, Alan Wells and Colin McFarlane were in a dead head and were joing first. The next placed person took home a bronze, not a silver. Shall we move on, I think you have a good plan.

[swannsong]

Sorry Swannie but your knowledge is normally up there with the best on saasl. Take it as a compliment that we all expected better.

Isn't one called Sturt Lions and the other called Sturt Marion?

Could be worse, could be Modbury Jets and Modbury Jets.

My forte is probably more SAASL Sunday Divisions as the SAASL Saturday Leagues have only really grown following changes in the State's retail trading hours.
I nearly joined Sturt Marion when Roy Ainscough was there briefly as a coach.
Don't know a great deal about Sturt Lions....remember my brother playing for APAC against Orange Sturt back in the 70's and I did pre-season with Blackwood at Karinya Reserve in the mid to late 80's (John Van Der Veeken was team manager and Arthur Ruttley was coach back then)...I think these clubs formed the basis of the current Sturt Lions.
I was under the impression that Sturt Lions were only created (or re-created) to satisfy FFSA's rules to allow Sturt's juniors to compete at the best FFSA junior level....(are the FFSA Seniors separate from the Juniors and the FFSA Seniors don't have their own ground ?)
Surely if their State League side was superflous, the Junior setup would be better off aligning themselves with what is essentially a good SAASL set up in Sturt Marion.
Call themselves Sturt Marion Lions !

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Your first assumption was correct, Sturt lions juniors need the seniors to play in higher divisions. Karyina is sturts home ground, but doesn't meet ffsa standards for senior games...

[Ernie Cooksey]

So after years of them and us from Carter & co we are expected to welcome Federation teams into the top tiers of our league with open arms and let established clubs suffer.
shiraz em. Sort out your own mess, Mr. Carter.

[DOC]

So after years of them and us from Carter & co we are expected to welcome Federation teams into the top tiers of our league with open arms and let established clubs suffer.
shiraz em. Sort out your own mess, Mr. Carter.

who knows what the ffsa are going to do anyway, they prob have to scrap plans in order to adhere to ffa mandates for the apl and ffa cup

[Ernie Cooksey]

So after years of them and us from Carter & co we are expected to welcome Federation teams into the top tiers of our league with open arms and let established clubs suffer.
shiraz em. Sort out your own mess, Mr. Carter.

who knows what the ffsa are going to do anyway, they prob have to scrap plans in order to adhere to ffa mandates for the apl and ffa cup

Like I said, their problem. They've made their own bed.

[DOC]

So after years of them and us from Carter & co we are expected to welcome Federation teams into the top tiers of our league with open arms and let established clubs suffer.
shiraz em. Sort out your own mess, Mr. Carter.

who knows what the ffsa are going to do anyway, they prob have to scrap plans in order to adhere to ffa mandates for the apl and ffa cup

Like I said, their problem. They've made their own bed.

i think everyone should wait and see what comes out of all of this then judge, saasl will tweek this depending on response or may pull it if ffsa change plans

[Ernie Cooksey]

i think everyone should wait and see what comes out of all of this then judge, saasl will tweek this depending on response or may pull it if ffsa change plans

Well, everyone waiting and seeing is hardly giving them a response. Are you sure you are a doctor?

[Right Back]

so what happens to the teams that finish in 9th & 10th in 2012 Premier Division? If they go to Division 2 in 2013, surely that's the 3rd tier!

Good try GIAE, but ....
If they come first or second in 2013 in Div 2 (supposed third tier) they go to Div 1. Sounds like second tier to me.
If they come 3rd-6th in 2013 in Div 2, then they stay in Div 2. Again sounds like second tier to me.
If they come 8th or 9th then they drop to Div 3. Again, sounds like second tier.

So your argument REALLY is that a team relegated from Div 1 in 2012, that finishes 7th in Div 2 the next year, shouldn't have to drop to Div 3.

NAPLAN offer is still open.

So the team that finished 9th in Premier in 2012 would drop to division 2 in 2013. Correct?

Division 2 in 2013 would be the 3rd tier (Premier White and Black being effectively the top 2 tiers). Correct?

So they would drop from 1st tier to 3rd tier. Would they not?

I disagree, if you look at the tier structure of English football there are many parallel leagues and the league below 2 parallel leagues is still just one tier below.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_fo ... gue_system