Referee Crisis

[God is an Englishman]

Hearing of a referee crisis upcoming.

Apparently referee's are not getting paid promptly, if at all. One ref claims he is owed over a thousand dollars, another $900.

Talk is if it's not sorted soon they will be refusing to officiate at all.

[ozzie owl]

Hearing of a referee crisis upcoming.

Apparently referee's are not getting paid promptly, if at all. One ref claims he is owed over a thousand dollars, another $900.

Talk is if it's not sorted soon they will be refusing to officiate at all.

Do the clubs still pay the referee on the day of the game or is it paid by SAASL?

[God is an Englishman]

Hearing of a referee crisis upcoming.

Apparently referee's are not getting paid promptly, if at all. One ref claims he is owed over a thousand dollars, another $900.

Talk is if it's not sorted soon they will be refusing to officiate at all.

Do the clubs still pay the referee on the day of the game or is it paid by SAASL?

It's either SAASL or fsa.

[ozzie owl]

Hearing of a referee crisis upcoming.

Apparently referee's are not getting paid promptly, if at all. One ref claims he is owed over a thousand dollars, another $900.

Talk is if it's not sorted soon they will be refusing to officiate at all.

Do the clubs still pay the referee on the day of the game or is it paid by SAASL?

It's either SAASL or fsa.

It was easier before , if the home side didn’t pay the ref before the match , no game .

[edenhazard]

[English]

So at least one Div 2 Saturday club didn’t have an official for their first team last week.

This week I’ve heard that there is one referee allocated to a Div 3 game, but nothing for Div 2.

Our club are still waiting for confirmation on wether we have one, it’s now 11:30am the day prior and we have nothing.

When are SAASL going to communicate to clubs about this sort of stuff? It’s becoming more and more worrying that this might end up being a free for all this year.

[God is an Englishman]

So at least one Div 2 Saturday club didn’t have an official for their first team last week.

This week I’ve heard that there is one referee allocated to a Div 3 game, but nothing for Div 2.

Our club are still waiting for confirmation on wether we have one, it’s now 11:30am the day prior and we have nothing.

When are SAASL going to communicate to clubs about this sort of stuff? It’s becoming more and more worrying that this might end up being a free for all this year.

Pretty sure that competition rules state that A grade games require an official ref.

If that is so then you're uninsured if you play.

This needs clubs to refuse to play and send a message to the league.

[smh]

Source
https://irp.cdn-website.com/f629d51e/fi ... 202023.pdf

CLUB REFEREES AND REFEREES ASSISTANTS

(a) If by the scheduled time of kick off, the official referee is not present, neither is there an official assistant referee present to take the referee’s place then the following shall occur;

- Senior (A team) fixtures – if there is no official or appointed referee then the game shall not be played. The League will determine the outcome in accordance with the League Championship rules.

- Reserve (B team) fixtures – if there is no official referee, then the fixture must be played and officiated by a registered club referee as prescribed in the club referee policy and League championship rules.

- Thirds (C Team) and over 35’s / Veterans fixtures – Clubs to provide Registered Club Referee if no official referee is appointed.

(b) Should an appointed Referee be unable to continue refereeing a Senior team fixture, the senior appointed Assistant Referee shall take over the fixture to completion. Should there be no official appointed Assistant Referee available, then the fixture will be abandoned and the League will determine outcome in accordance with the League championship rules.

(c) If by the scheduled time of kick off, the official Assistant Referees are not present, each team shall provide a linesman. In the event that only one official Assistant Referee is present, the home team’s club referee shall assist the official referee.

(d) If at any time the official Assistant Referee arrives late, they shall take over from the time they arrive and the home club shall report the late arrival to the League.

[English]

Source
https://irp.cdn-website.com/f629d51e/fi ... 202023.pdf

CLUB REFEREES AND REFEREES ASSISTANTS

(a) If by the scheduled time of kick off, the official referee is not present, neither is there an official assistant referee present to take the referee’s place then the following shall occur;

- Senior (A team) fixtures – if there is no official or appointed referee then the game shall not be played. The League will determine the outcome in accordance with the League Championship rules.

- Reserve (B team) fixtures – if there is no official referee, then the fixture must be played and officiated by a registered club referee as prescribed in the club referee policy and League championship rules.

- Thirds (C Team) and over 35’s / Veterans fixtures – Clubs to provide Registered Club Referee if no official referee is appointed.

(b) Should an appointed Referee be unable to continue refereeing a Senior team fixture, the senior appointed Assistant Referee shall take over the fixture to completion. Should there be no official appointed Assistant Referee available, then the fixture will be abandoned and the League will determine outcome in accordance with the League championship rules.

(c) If by the scheduled time of kick off, the official Assistant Referees are not present, each team shall provide a linesman. In the event that only one official Assistant Referee is present, the home team’s club referee shall assist the official referee.

(d) If at any time the official Assistant Referee arrives late, they shall take over from the time they arrive and the home club shall report the late arrival to the League.

We all know they don’t follow the rules they’ve set out.

If it’s hard work, or needs a decision to be made they won’t do anything and just hope the club will stop asking about it.

[C U Next Saturday]

Source
https://irp.cdn-website.com/f629d51e/fi ... 202023.pdf

CLUB REFEREES AND REFEREES ASSISTANTS

(a) If by the scheduled time of kick off, the official referee is not present, neither is there an official assistant referee present to take the referee’s place then the following shall occur;

- Senior (A team) fixtures – if there is no official or appointed referee then the game shall not be played. The League will determine the outcome in accordance with the League Championship rules.

- Reserve (B team) fixtures – if there is no official referee, then the fixture must be played and officiated by a registered club referee as prescribed in the club referee policy and League championship rules.

- Thirds (C Team) and over 35’s / Veterans fixtures – Clubs to provide Registered Club Referee if no official referee is appointed.

(b) Should an appointed Referee be unable to continue refereeing a Senior team fixture, the senior appointed Assistant Referee shall take over the fixture to completion. Should there be no official appointed Assistant Referee available, then the fixture will be abandoned and the League will determine outcome in accordance with the League championship rules.

(c) If by the scheduled time of kick off, the official Assistant Referees are not present, each team shall provide a linesman. In the event that only one official Assistant Referee is present, the home team’s club referee shall assist the official referee.

(d) If at any time the official Assistant Referee arrives late, they shall take over from the time they arrive and the home club shall report the late arrival to the League.

We all know they don’t follow the rules they’ve set out.

If it’s hard work, or needs a decision to be made they won’t do anything and just hope the club will stop asking about it.

SAASL can appoint a club referee for a senior match.
If an official referee is appointed and fails to officiate the game the club referee can not officiate the fixture as they were not appointed

[God is an Englishman]

How many refs this week?

[edenhazard]

All games with results would have had referees. The game cannot commence without them

[English]

How many refs this week?

I see a few referees did As and Bs, which is lucky for SPOC that they didn’t have the home ref

[God is an Englishman]

All games with results would have had referees. The game cannot commence without them

But did they have official refs or just some bloke from the club who passed the most basic requirements?

[BeNatural]

After seeing what happened in Sydney in an Amateur competition, who really would want to referee and put themselves in potential serious situation.

We have seen this happen over the past few years in the SAASL.

[Barnesy Wore 10]

Not all 1st team games had Official Refs. Does it imbalance the leagues due to this fact? Time will tell.

[God is an Englishman]

After seeing what happened in Sydney in an Amateur competition, who really would want to referee and put themselves in potential serious situation.

We have seen this happen over the past few years in the SAASL.

That's like saying. After seeing a video of someone going to the cinema and being punched, why would anyone go to the cinema?

However, point is. SAASL clubs are paying for a service, SAASL clubs aren't receiving that service.

If the competition rules are as stated above then also, we're paying for insurance that is null and void. Hopefully, it never happens but what happens if someone has a major incident (heart attack etc..) and the insurance company laugh at the claim.

[4-4-2]

Unfortunately this has been on the cards for sometime now.

Sassl seem more interested in palming off as much to fsa as they can rather than working to fix the existing issues themselves.

What has the saasl done in recent times to not only get more ref's on board but to also ensure clubs are getting a decent standard for the service they are paying for?

Too much is being palmed of to fsa at the moment and the fsa appear to be taking the piss out of saasl. It isn't a partnership but more like a 1 way dictatorship.

I'm hearing there are ref's ready and waiting to officiate amateur games however unwilling to do so with the current structure.

Perhaps if saasl took some ownership for the issues that are currently happening and were prepared for constructive negotiations with the referees association this could be resolved quickly however I will not hold my breath waiting for this to occur.

Would also like to know what ever happened to the saasl clubs vote after 3 years of being associated with the fsa to see if the relationship is working. Perhaps they already know the answer so not prepared to allow for the backlash.

I may be way off the mark here but just my opinion from what I am seeing and hearing.

[BeNatural]

After seeing what happened in Sydney in an Amateur competition, who really would want to referee and put themselves in potential serious situation.

We have seen this happen over the past few years in the SAASL.

That's like saying. After seeing a video of someone going to the cinema and being punched, why would anyone go to the cinema?

However, point is. SAASL clubs are paying for a service, SAASL clubs aren't receiving that service.

If the competition rules are as stated above then also, we're paying for insurance that is null and void. Hopefully, it never happens but what happens if someone has a major incident (heart attack etc..) and the insurance company laugh at the claim.

A movie is acting, the incident in Sydney was real life, that is the diffence.

[God is an Englishman]

After seeing what happened in Sydney in an Amateur competition, who really would want to referee and put themselves in potential serious situation.

We have seen this happen over the past few years in the SAASL.

That's like saying. After seeing a video of someone going to the cinema and being punched, why would anyone go to the cinema?

However, point is. SAASL clubs are paying for a service, SAASL clubs aren't receiving that service.

If the competition rules are as stated above then also, we're paying for insurance that is null and void. Hopefully, it never happens but what happens if someone has a major incident (heart attack etc..) and the insurance company laugh at the claim.

A movie is acting, the incident in Sydney was real life, that is the diffence.

The person as punched "at the cinema".

[17N]

What has the saasl done in recent times to not only get more ref's on board but to also ensure clubs are getting a decent standard for the service they are paying for?

I'm hearing there are ref's ready and waiting to officiate amteur games however unwilling to do so with the current structure.

Perhaps if saasl took some ownership for the issues that are currently happening and were prepared for constructive negotiations with the referees association this could be resolved quickly however I will not hold my breath waiting for this to occur.

The fact of the matter is the standard of referees have been in decline for the past decade, so if there are in fact referees from the dissolved SAASRA not officiating matches, they will do nothing to raise the standard.

Neither will negotiating with a referee's association that also oversaw that decline.

Clubs will also need to take responsibility to prevent abuse. Our linesman was abused for 45 minutes on Saturday, including having a sent off player come up right to his face to remonstrate.

[4-4-2]

What has the saasl done in recent times to not only get more ref's on board but to also ensure clubs are getting a decent standard for the service they are paying for?

I'm hearing there are ref's ready and waiting to officiate amteur games however unwilling to do so with the current structure.

Perhaps if saasl took some ownership for the issues that are currently happening and were prepared for constructive negotiations with the referees association this could be resolved quickly however I will not hold my breath waiting for this to occur.

The fact of the matter is the standard of referees have been in decline for the past decade, so if there are in fact referees from the dissolved SAASRA not officiating matches, they will do nothing to raise the standard.

Neither will negotiating with a referee's association that also oversaw that decline.

Clubs will also need to take responsibility to prevent abuse. Our linesman was abused for 45 minutes on Saturday, including having a sent off player come up right to his face to remonstrate.

Perhaps if the saasl provided the referees the $$$ they have been collecting from clubs for a number of years to raise the standard of refereeing rather than keep it for themselves we wouldn't be in this predicament.

Agreed in regards to clubs preventing abuse but isn't this the reason clubs are required to provide marshals at each game. Whether the marshals are proactive enough is where I see the issue and this is on each club to provide marshals that not only understand their role but know how to control this behaviour

[English]

Cameras will fix this.

First offence for failing to control crowd is $3000 fine, $2000 for the camera and $1000 for the subscription.

After that any reports put in to the league require the club to provide the footage, failure to is considered guilty to the offence and then they can start giving them bans/removal from league.

[edenhazard]

I'm hearing there are ref's ready and waiting to officiate amateur games however unwilling to do so with the current structure.

what structural issues exist that could be so bad that refs are forfeiting the chance to earn money by reffing ggames

[God is an Englishman]

I'm hearing there are ref's ready and waiting to officiate amateur games however unwilling to do so with the current structure.

what structural issues exist that could be so bad that refs are forfeiting the chance to earn money by reffing ggames

Getting paid might be one of them.

[BeNatural]

Cameras will fix this.

First offence for failing to control crowd is $3000 fine, $2000 for the camera and $1000 for the subscription.

After that any reports put in to the league require the club to provide the footage, failure to is considered guilty to the offence and then they can start giving them bans/removal from league.

This only would work for the big clubs.

Fines dont work for those small clubs with 1 or 2 teams, who just disband their club if any major issues, and would be hard to recoup any fine money. That is what has occurred in the past.

[God is an Englishman]

Cameras will fix this.

First offence for failing to control crowd is $3000 fine, $2000 for the camera and $1000 for the subscription.

After that any reports put in to the league require the club to provide the footage, failure to is considered guilty to the offence and then they can start giving them bans/removal from league.

This only would work for the big clubs.

Fines dont work for those small clubs with 1 or 2 teams, who just disband their club if any major issues, and would be hard to recoup any fine money. That is what has occurred in the past.

Got rid of a trouble making team then. Mission accomplished.

[BeNatural]

Cameras will fix this.

First offence for failing to control crowd is $3000 fine, $2000 for the camera and $1000 for the subscription.

After that any reports put in to the league require the club to provide the footage, failure to is considered guilty to the offence and then they can start giving them bans/removal from league.

This only would work for the big clubs.

Fines dont work for those small clubs with 1 or 2 teams, who just disband their club if any major issues, and would be hard to recoup any fine money. That is what has occurred in the past.

Got rid of a trouble making team then. Mission accomplished.

That is also what has occurred in the past too, but you cant deny clubs being formed if they have no previous issues with the SAASL.

[4-4-2]

I'm hearing there are ref's ready and waiting to officiate amateur games however unwilling to do so with the current structure.

what structural issues exist that could be so bad that refs are forfeiting the chance to earn money by reffing ggames

Getting paid might be one of them.

Not having to donate 10% of their pay to fsa may be another

[haywood djablowme]

Heard Pirie v TTG won't be going ahead tomorrow as no referee available